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so

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what's up everybody happy wednesday

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is it how's it going everyone

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we have who do we have here we have

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steve

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we have voodoo kitchen mama

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uh jd study uap uh looks like he changed

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your name

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we have ethereal aura greg

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o'brien what's up dude

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uh observation deck hey thanks for

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coming

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um who else we got here

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what's up expendable 72 how you doing

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uh the old atgack gack how are you i and

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so far

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at cat gack is my favorite

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kind of personality based on the name

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and the figure i mean mars attacks is an

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awesome movie

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so yeah thanks for joining me um

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so ryan is gonna join at two o'clock

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today so you have me for

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two hours the first hour

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is just gonna be me so

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um you know if you're the type that

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prefers more than one person

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you can come back in an hour otherwise

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uh what i want to talk about here is

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a couple things the first thing i wanted

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to talk about is based off a couple

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tweets yesterday

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um and that would include

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um the one i said where i shared jeremy

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corbell's

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uh post and i said is this helpful and

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the other one

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is um

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ryan bledsoe and

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then i have um some cool crash

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stuff some of which includes

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mr danny sheehan so that's cool

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um and i gotta thank a buddy for

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uh showing that to me because that was a

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pretty

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good video that kind of spurred

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the crash stuff i was kind of already

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getting into but this video that was

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shared with me kind of

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the synchronicity there was enough to

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definitely have me go through with what

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i wanted to do

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so yeah merchant ambassador

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act

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well don't stick around too long dude

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i'll start playing that music that pops

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cover

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you know you gotta play that uh i'm not

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gonna sing it

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i can't get that high but yeah

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so um first of all i wanted to start

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um ryan bledsoe so i commented and said

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i don't think i believe this person

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um and i can say

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that i should really just i at least i

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want to just stick to

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um ryan as of right now uh the dad

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i don't i have to look more into

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i know there's things that you could use

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to put him in the same category

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but he's not speaking right now as much

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as ryan

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and ryan is um

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he's clinging to his theory as absolute

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truth

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and that's fine as if it is to him um

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but to not encourage other ideas from

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other people

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that they put equal amount of work into

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to realize is their truth

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um it's just not i don't know it's not

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so what am i gonna do nothing i'm just

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um and you are free to still obviously

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and listen and watch whoever you want um

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this is just one man's opinion

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if you share it great if you don't

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that's fine too you know

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we all have free thought free will and

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we can do what we want with that

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this is just where i've come to on that

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andy i could change my mind i have on

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him before

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um so i could again

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but i would need i would need to talk to

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him and he doesn't really talk to anyone

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um i don't think it's probably helpful

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the guy as much as just

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being mean about it may be the wrong way

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to go

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so maybe just put your attention

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somewhere else and just forget it

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you know as the people that follow him

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and watch him

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will just dwindle and it is what it is

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what's up scott he pulls a lot of dust

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and moisture in the air picks

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yeah and i've seen um

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you know the thing about those is i've

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seen so many

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recreation videos where they try and

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where they talk about this kind of stuff

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happening and people taking pictures of

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and what it really is and they do what's

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like mick west

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um so they take the camera they see the

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the dust it looks just the same you know

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but if it was something interesting it

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was something different

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and it just happened to look just like

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that like dust

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i wouldn't know the difference but

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um it's enough to not i mean i'm not

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gonna dive into anything he says um

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and that's one of the reasons i wouldn't

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i recreated a thousand times yeah yeah

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it totally is

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totally totally is but um

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i don't want to talk too much on it

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without having more knowledge as far as

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um everything that happened before him

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which i do know some of it

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but i wanna i to go deeper into chris's

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story and

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you know all those years with him and

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how it came to be what it is now with

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which i think is a little um i'm not

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gonna say culty because

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he doesn't have one as far as i know you

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um i think

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it's easy to go to that for sure

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but without knowing the person's real

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intentions and talking to them in person

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it's really hard to make a judgment like

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that so i kind of

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try to stay try to not get too close to

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that even though i do agree

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that the actions kind of look like they

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could be

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but you know i don't think any of us

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would let that happen anyways

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so um and like i said

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i could change my mind but i really

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would need to talk to the person

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to come up with an actual conclusion i

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can back up

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without talking to the person i can't do

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that and everything's just really

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opinions

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because do you believe everything you

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see both ways is he telling the truth on

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everything right

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no probably not people that talk crap

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about him

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are they always telling the truth no

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there's always stuff in between

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next thing jeremy corbell so mr corbell

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um what's up graham how you doing

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disclosure team what's up dude

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um yeah so corbell

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um he tweeted something yesterday

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you know what he usually does very

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aggressive in your face

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and we have crash debris you know

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there's some construction going on over

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here at this building so if that's too

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loud

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let me know so um

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yeah mr corbell with that i didn't want

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what i thought of it and if it was

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i wanted to see what everyone else

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and if you looked at that thread it was

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um you can tell that different people

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take away different things

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from him um some get excited some get

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angry some feel let down um

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some are grateful some definitely are

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any so in knowing that we have to

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think about what are the things that

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in a certain way so it's a

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um approach i totally screwed up that

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reins uh sprig

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thing because it's not at one o'clock

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two o'clock so stupid sorry

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i am really tired today for some reason

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there's gonna be one hell of a blooper

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so anyways um

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when he does it so aggressive and in

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your face like that i mean it's it's not

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necessarily for everyone

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and you know there's different flavors

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for different people

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so when i look at what he says first i

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the truth of it is there truth in the

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statement with the crash retrievals

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you know and i will get to my opinion on

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that but

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so far um you know he's not the only one

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that said that there's been plenty of

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that have said that um and some would

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say there's evidence

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it's not that that people would disagree

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with right

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so i guess it's really the delivery

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so it's just if it's the delivery of

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this news and it does not suit you

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think about other people does it suit

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other people

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well how many twitter fans does he have

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how many people

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lots so there must be a lot of people

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that like that

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so if that's the case

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you just have to be okay with that

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if you want of course but understanding

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that there's different things for

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different people

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is imperative and when we're trying to

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and you want to reach all different

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types of people you need all different

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types of ways to present things

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what do we get did you see my alien demo

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i tweeted i did not

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yeah lazar has serious truth issues you

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know the thing

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is with lazar in his videos which are

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very similar

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is um they're intriguing

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um but i wouldn't call it like um

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proof for sure

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so i think what he does is just

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to you know extreme on purpose to make

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noise to get attention

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to get new people in

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by those big grandiose statements

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you know think of a new person looking

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at this stuff and they see

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let's say if al budoff was uh active on

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his twitter

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he would be talking about bismuth and

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all that stuff and people are

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gonna they're about what what is this

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but if they go across corbell's

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they're gonna be like oh what the heck

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you know and i gotta say when i first

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started doing you know looking at

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this stuff and the bob lazar thing and

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and um you know i watched that

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documentary and everything

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and the hunt for us skinwalker

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documentary

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um and he's got another one with

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implants patient

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something that's really good um so i

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think

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we have to be understanding that there's

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different types of people

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that do different things and if you

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don't like that delivery you don't have

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to accept it

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there's you can mute them hide them

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whatever not pay attention

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but you can't cast your version of

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somebody

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on everybody else you know

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we have different thoughts and opinions

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um is his stuff

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good for me not necessarily to be honest

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with you

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but what he's doing isn't for me

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you know does that make sense i think

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what he does is effective

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to new people and what gets attention

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big movie trailers

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you know i mean that's just the science

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of it so he's taking advantage of that

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to get that attention

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um you just hope that what he does with

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it

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is good and i don't have any

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specific reasons to say that what he's

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doing is

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not good you know i haven't seen anyone

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go crazy or anything because

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they saw a corbell post or whatever if

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anything he's adding material to

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the market so to speak um

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and giving us more to chew on and talk

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about while other people come in

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uh oh yeah let me know if no one else

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can hear me you should be able to i can

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check yeah it should be working looks

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like it

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um here we go

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all right so but if a new person finds

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out lazar light about his education

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for them like me his credibility goes

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out the window unlike me

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they may have uh distrust for the lot of

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us

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that's true but think of what kind of

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person would

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judge everybody else based on the

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actions of one

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and is that the kind of person that

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um but yes he lied about his education

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i don't know the depth of that if it was

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a misunderstanding

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or a complete lie i have no idea i don't

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remember

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but there is enough that was true

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including employees that work there

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and he's a freaking genius that's not a

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so deceit manipulation

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reads mistrust

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distrust yeah it does it does and for

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some people that first

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impression like kevin says is not going

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to be a good one

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you know i understand that for people

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like yourself

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or maybe even me but look at how many

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people follow him and like the stuff and

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share it

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so you know our impression

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is not the same as theirs and

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i can't say that he's deceiving people

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for sure

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i can't and

389
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i don't really know why he would unless

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he's working with the government or

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something

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which who knows you know but there's

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enough unknowns for me to not

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you know ban somebody or talk trash

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about them because there's too many

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unknowns

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but i would say that he's added a lot to

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this field if

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of this past year or whatever there's a

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lot

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so you know it's like what do you do

402
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do you do you not want the buzz or

403
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do you take the kind of maybe if he buzz

404
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but it is buzz that brings a lot of

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people in and keeps the news media on

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this before the report comes out

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so i think there is there's some good to

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what he's doing

409
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most definitely um this style

410
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not for me but it doesn't have to be for

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me as long as it reaches

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other people and brings them into this

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in the second that he you know if you

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were to get busted

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lying for sure you know

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then game on of course but until then

417
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is it yeah it kind of looks like a man

418
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yeah yeah i had that poster uh folded up

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in my house i was like oh this is a cool

420
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poster

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it's not booted up um yeah so

422
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that's kind of what i uh hope we get

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some more comments i don't wanna skip

424
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yeah that's a little bit different

425
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though daddy and

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corbell right i mean dottie

427
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really really bad but i mean so is

428
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corbell's if it would be

429
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the bad aspect that we think about which

430
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i don't think it is

431
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but um ooh thanks

432
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thanks drew so would you have to hear it

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from

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that lazar is lying to believe he's

435
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lying i believe him

436
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yeah right i don't know um

437
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i would have to hear it from i don't

438
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think

439
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hearing would do anything for me

440
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i would have to see like log books like

441
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employee punch cards

442
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um and employee position

443
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you know that's what i would have to see

444
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and then let's

445
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you know line that up with what was said

446
00:21:05,190 --> 00:21:03,590
what's up bro nope no problem dude um

447
00:21:07,029 --> 00:21:05,200
disclosure team's got some really cool

448
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stuff going on

449
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um he's working on or did release

450
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a pretty interesting video um it's about

451
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13 minutes long

452
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so um watch it it's pretty interesting i

453
00:21:20,710 --> 00:21:19,919
think he's got a lot more information

454
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he's prepping

455
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for it so keep that in mind when you do

456
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watch it

457
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um because i'm sure um

458
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you know he he does good work so just

459
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pay attention

460
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all right um greg o'brien is not

461
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but that was the easy one is that good

462
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is that a good

463
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answer um like i i don't think anyone

464
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could tell me that

465
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for and i would take their word for it i

466
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would have to see

467
00:22:01,430 --> 00:21:59,669
so yeah that's where i'm at with that i

468
00:22:03,270 --> 00:22:01,440
don't think anything can be proven right

469
00:22:04,950 --> 00:22:03,280
now one way or the other

470
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but what we can say is happening for

471
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sure is that it creates buzz and brings

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people in

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and i just

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you know i don't make commitments on

475
00:22:17,350 --> 00:22:15,440
this kind of stuff either

476
00:22:24,789 --> 00:22:17,360
you know i have got feelings that go one

477
00:22:28,549 --> 00:22:26,950
here we go how about the us government

478
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did everything possible to discredit

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lazar

480
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seems to make more sense to me it does

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and his initial story makes a lot of

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sense

483
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when he was first on george knapp and

484
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talked about why he came out to begin

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with

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worked at a much lower level than he

487
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says he didn't exaggerated everything

488
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yep maybe he just doesn't really he

489
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doesn't seem like an exaggerator

490
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but you know corbell

491
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kind of does but he's just got a loud

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personality

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you can't even move right to the soldier

494
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all right all right

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so that's kind of my take on it um if

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you

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say keep an open mind

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don't bash anyone and until proven

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guilty

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innocent yeah

501
00:23:27,110 --> 00:23:25,600
and there's things like this that you

502
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can throw in there now

503
00:23:30,710 --> 00:23:28,960
how long has he been doing this i mean

504
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we wouldn't even be here if he didn't

505
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introduce harry reid to bigelow

506
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you know so there's something to be said

507
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um oh she's with scott brown and lazar

508
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see the hard part for me is i can see

509
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both perspectives

510
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both of them make a reasonable amount of

511
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sense to me so it's hard to decide

512
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which one you know we need a jury at 12

513
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people or something

514
00:24:00,310 --> 00:23:58,480
don't put this on me um

515
00:24:02,830 --> 00:24:00,320
i think it's very interesting and i

516
00:24:05,510 --> 00:24:02,840
would not discount it all together

517
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and um

518
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i hope we hear more and when we do hear

519
00:24:11,430 --> 00:24:09,840
more i hope it's something conclusive

520
00:24:14,549 --> 00:24:11,440
that would be cool

521
00:24:16,149 --> 00:24:14,559
um but we do know lazar is a genius he

522
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did work there

523
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um he's had the same story for so

524
00:24:24,950 --> 00:24:23,120
long he does not seem like someone that

525
00:24:26,070 --> 00:24:24,960
wants any attention to me when he does

526
00:24:27,830 --> 00:24:26,080
talk

527
00:24:29,669 --> 00:24:27,840
uh if he's an actor he should win a

528
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grammy

529
00:24:37,669 --> 00:24:34,720
so kind of stuff randy kramer

530
00:24:40,630 --> 00:24:37,679
i don't know who's randy kramer gosh

531
00:24:44,070 --> 00:24:40,640
darn it that sounds familiar

532
00:24:45,669 --> 00:24:44,080
i guess really it's you know

533
00:24:48,149 --> 00:24:45,679
i don't like bashing anyone unless

534
00:24:51,990 --> 00:24:48,159
they're really hurting

535
00:24:53,269 --> 00:24:52,000
something um but you know that doesn't

536
00:24:56,870 --> 00:24:53,279
mean i don't

537
00:25:03,909 --> 00:25:00,230
definitely i've bashed and then had

538
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so this

539
00:25:10,390 --> 00:25:09,760
is some interesting stuff have you guys

540
00:25:13,110 --> 00:25:10,400
ever

541
00:25:14,950 --> 00:25:13,120
seen i'm going to change the subject

542
00:25:16,549 --> 00:25:14,960
here

543
00:25:18,470 --> 00:25:16,559
and this is something you guys are

544
00:25:20,390 --> 00:25:18,480
passionate about that's for sure

545
00:25:22,310 --> 00:25:20,400
yeah the element 113 that was

546
00:25:24,070 --> 00:25:22,320
interesting because um

547
00:25:25,909 --> 00:25:24,080
um if you hear the interview with nap

548
00:25:26,870 --> 00:25:25,919
and bigelow um how they talk about the

549
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one

550
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15 113 or i thought it was 15. um but

551
00:25:35,830 --> 00:25:34,000
he thought it was that but it turns out

552
00:25:38,310 --> 00:25:35,840
it was just the weird packaging

553
00:25:39,510 --> 00:25:38,320
that that was in that he had but he

554
00:25:44,149 --> 00:25:39,520
thought it was that

555
00:25:49,909 --> 00:25:44,159
so that's interesting um

556
00:25:55,269 --> 00:25:52,149
how can you prove it's not true just

557
00:25:59,430 --> 00:25:57,909
can you prove it's true completely no

558
00:26:00,390 --> 00:25:59,440
but you can make a really convincing

559
00:26:03,669 --> 00:26:00,400
argument

560
00:26:07,310 --> 00:26:03,679
and i think that's what he did all right

561
00:26:08,950 --> 00:26:07,320
so have you guys ever seen

562
00:26:12,549 --> 00:26:08,960
[Music]

563
00:26:16,190 --> 00:26:12,559
something like this changing the subject

564
00:26:20,549 --> 00:26:16,200
this is december 8

565
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condon uh the condom report everything

566
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like that mid 60s all that well they

567
00:26:30,310 --> 00:26:29,039
contracted out to the university of

568
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colorado

569
00:26:36,310 --> 00:26:33,840
to help um do this and this

570
00:26:37,669 --> 00:26:36,320
letter i found which is very interesting

571
00:26:40,789 --> 00:26:37,679
because it mentions

572
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i'm going to move this banner here um

573
00:26:47,430 --> 00:26:44,080
carl sagan and

574
00:26:48,230 --> 00:26:47,440
crash debris so yeah corbell was my

575
00:26:53,269 --> 00:26:48,240
segway into

576
00:26:56,070 --> 00:26:53,279
crash debris

577
00:26:57,750 --> 00:26:56,080
um let me make this full size here it's

578
00:27:01,110 --> 00:26:57,760
a pretty good one

579
00:27:04,630 --> 00:27:01,120
man it's so small sorry

580
00:27:09,830 --> 00:27:07,830
uh when you get a chance this is to dr

581
00:27:11,830 --> 00:27:09,840
tom when you get a chance i would

582
00:27:13,830 --> 00:27:11,840
appreciate it if you would let art

583
00:27:14,870 --> 00:27:13,840
know that i've been in contact with carl

584
00:27:16,870 --> 00:27:14,880
sagan

585
00:27:19,590 --> 00:27:16,880
about the establishment of the ufo

586
00:27:21,510 --> 00:27:19,600
commission in the ussr

587
00:27:22,630 --> 00:27:21,520
while sagan is very interested in the

588
00:27:25,430 --> 00:27:22,640
ufo problem

589
00:27:27,070 --> 00:27:25,440
and in what we're doing and also in the

590
00:27:28,549 --> 00:27:27,080
recent developments in russia he felt

591
00:27:30,549 --> 00:27:28,559
reluctant to

592
00:27:32,310 --> 00:27:30,559
contact i'm not even going to try to say

593
00:27:35,669 --> 00:27:32,320
that last name

594
00:27:37,350 --> 00:27:35,679
his re his reasoning is that uh soviet

595
00:27:39,510 --> 00:27:37,360
investigation is being conducted by the

596
00:27:42,870 --> 00:27:39,520
military it would be difficult

597
00:27:46,630 --> 00:27:44,549
uh whatever about it without

598
00:27:49,750 --> 00:27:46,640
compromising himself and sagan felt

599
00:27:53,029 --> 00:27:49,760
nervous about even asking him to comment

600
00:27:58,389 --> 00:27:56,389
um there's some follow-up with lindell

601
00:28:01,669 --> 00:27:58,399
in the meeting that frank rand called

602
00:28:02,549 --> 00:28:01,679
is it rand is that rand rand i don't

603
00:28:04,549 --> 00:28:02,559
know

604
00:28:06,389 --> 00:28:04,559
in addition to the second thing undel

605
00:28:08,950 --> 00:28:06,399
mentioned a patent lawyer mississippi

606
00:28:11,750 --> 00:28:08,960
named elmore who is thought to have

607
00:28:12,549 --> 00:28:11,760
in his possession a report of an

608
00:28:15,190 --> 00:28:12,559
analysis

609
00:28:15,990 --> 00:28:15,200
that was made of a piece of metal

610
00:28:18,630 --> 00:28:16,000
discovered

611
00:28:19,750 --> 00:28:18,640
after a fall through the atmosphere

612
00:28:23,590 --> 00:28:19,760
which i believe

613
00:28:25,350 --> 00:28:23,600
more observed himself as i recall

614
00:28:26,630 --> 00:28:25,360
as i recall it the piece of metal has

615
00:28:29,029 --> 00:28:26,640
been lost

616
00:28:32,630 --> 00:28:29,039
but the results of the analysis still

617
00:28:38,549 --> 00:28:36,230
interesting citing made by admiral

618
00:28:40,230 --> 00:28:38,559
bolster on a flight from hawaii

619
00:28:41,669 --> 00:28:40,240
to san francisco a long time ago he

620
00:28:42,950 --> 00:28:41,679
believes that this report is still in

621
00:28:45,269 --> 00:28:42,960
the navy's hands

622
00:28:46,870 --> 00:28:45,279
and that it is classified perhaps if it

623
00:28:48,549 --> 00:28:46,880
is classified

624
00:28:52,149 --> 00:28:48,559
no higher than secret we can get a hold

625
00:28:54,549 --> 00:28:52,159
of it and see what we do with it

626
00:28:55,669 --> 00:28:54,559
um question of this picture is very

627
00:28:57,190 --> 00:28:55,679
similar to the one

628
00:28:59,510 --> 00:28:57,200
of the classical pictures that still

629
00:29:02,950 --> 00:28:59,520
remains in the puzzling category

630
00:29:03,590 --> 00:29:02,960
interesting i thought that was a cool

631
00:29:09,110 --> 00:29:03,600
document

632
00:29:15,510 --> 00:29:13,350
university of colorado december 8th 1967

633
00:29:16,789 --> 00:29:15,520
uh the university of colorado then had

634
00:29:19,110 --> 00:29:16,799
what was called

635
00:29:20,950 --> 00:29:19,120
ufo officers which was pretty

636
00:29:24,230 --> 00:29:20,960
interesting

637
00:29:24,950 --> 00:29:24,240
um and i heard i forgot who told me this

638
00:29:27,269 --> 00:29:24,960
actually me

639
00:29:28,310 --> 00:29:27,279
maybe it was graham i don't know that

640
00:29:32,389 --> 00:29:28,320
like um

641
00:29:35,350 --> 00:29:32,399
four other colleges or something um

642
00:29:38,470 --> 00:29:35,360
were asked to participate in this

643
00:29:39,750 --> 00:29:38,480
program and they turned it down i guess

644
00:29:44,230 --> 00:29:39,760
i don't know if that's true but that's

645
00:29:51,750 --> 00:29:47,990
pretty cool so

646
00:29:57,190 --> 00:29:51,760
uh yeah carl sagan crash debris

647
00:30:11,590 --> 00:30:00,710
i have the really cool stuff

648
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:17,990
but to me is cool

649
00:30:24,070 --> 00:30:21,190
all right believe this is it

650
00:30:26,310 --> 00:30:24,080
this is just a little project i made

651
00:30:26,789 --> 00:30:26,320
i've only had the technology over the

652
00:30:29,350 --> 00:30:26,799
last

653
00:30:30,710 --> 00:30:29,360
decade maybe decade and a half to do

654
00:30:32,789 --> 00:30:30,720
atomic engineering

655
00:30:35,190 --> 00:30:32,799
and that is when i say atomic i mean

656
00:30:37,750 --> 00:30:35,200
precision nano engineering

657
00:30:38,630 --> 00:30:37,760
being able to develop material with a

658
00:30:42,630 --> 00:30:38,640
precise

659
00:30:45,029 --> 00:30:42,640
uh atomic ratio isotopic ratio

660
00:30:46,950 --> 00:30:45,039
and and have that isotopic ratio

661
00:30:49,590 --> 00:30:46,960
consistent and uniform

662
00:30:50,310 --> 00:30:49,600
uh throughout uh throughout the material

663
00:30:52,549 --> 00:30:50,320
that's that

664
00:30:54,870 --> 00:30:52,559
that's very very complex very very

665
00:30:57,190 --> 00:30:54,880
expensive very very technical

666
00:30:59,430 --> 00:30:57,200
and when you when you have material in

667
00:31:02,149 --> 00:30:59,440
your possession in your hand

668
00:31:03,590 --> 00:31:02,159
that predates any of that technology and

669
00:31:04,870 --> 00:31:03,600
it's it's certainly it's clearly

670
00:31:07,190 --> 00:31:04,880
engineered

671
00:31:08,630 --> 00:31:07,200
then you're forced to to come to the

672
00:31:11,269 --> 00:31:08,640
conclusion that

673
00:31:12,910 --> 00:31:11,279
someone made it something has the story

674
00:31:15,990 --> 00:31:12,920
and the las vegas connection

675
00:31:15,990 --> 00:31:16,000
[Music]

676
00:31:20,870 --> 00:31:18,470
for years the pentagon secretly studied

677
00:31:23,430 --> 00:31:20,880
the seemingly impossible abilities of

678
00:31:24,310 --> 00:31:23,440
unknown craft captured in these military

679
00:31:25,990 --> 00:31:24,320
videos

680
00:31:28,710 --> 00:31:26,000
scientists now want to know if the

681
00:31:31,350 --> 00:31:28,720
materials used in these mystery aircraft

682
00:31:33,190 --> 00:31:31,360
allow them to do what they do for years

683
00:31:34,149 --> 00:31:33,200
one of the secret studies was carried

684
00:31:36,470 --> 00:31:34,159
out by bass

685
00:31:37,909 --> 00:31:36,480
a las vegas operation hidden within

686
00:31:40,149 --> 00:31:37,919
bigelow aerospace

687
00:31:42,389 --> 00:31:40,159
documents first reported by the i-team

688
00:31:43,509 --> 00:31:42,399
show that bass landed a contract with

689
00:31:45,750 --> 00:31:43,519
the dia

690
00:31:47,509 --> 00:31:45,760
and one of the objectives was to study

691
00:31:49,909 --> 00:31:47,519
so-called meta materials

692
00:31:50,710 --> 00:31:49,919
as well as futuristic technologies it

693
00:31:52,789 --> 00:31:50,720
was a

694
00:31:53,830 --> 00:31:52,799
multi-layered bismuth and magnesium

695
00:31:56,870 --> 00:31:53,840
sample

696
00:31:59,190 --> 00:31:56,880
bismuth layers less than a human hair

697
00:32:00,950 --> 00:31:59,200
magnesium samples about 10 times the

698
00:32:03,110 --> 00:32:00,960
size of human hair

699
00:32:04,310 --> 00:32:03,120
supposedly picked up in the crash

700
00:32:07,830 --> 00:32:04,320
retrieval

701
00:32:10,070 --> 00:32:07,840
of an advanced aerospace vehicle

702
00:32:11,509 --> 00:32:10,080
looks like it's been in the crash in las

703
00:32:13,750 --> 00:32:11,519
vegas back in june

704
00:32:14,549 --> 00:32:13,760
physicist hal put off came pretty close

705
00:32:17,269 --> 00:32:14,559
to saying

706
00:32:19,029 --> 00:32:17,279
that this weird wedge of meta material

707
00:32:21,269 --> 00:32:19,039
came from a crashed saucer

708
00:32:22,310 --> 00:32:21,279
but he can't know for sure put off and

709
00:32:24,389 --> 00:32:22,320
his colleague dr

710
00:32:25,830 --> 00:32:24,399
eric davis are on the cutting edge of

711
00:32:28,149 --> 00:32:25,840
attempts to identify

712
00:32:29,350 --> 00:32:28,159
an assortment of bits and pieces that

713
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:29,360
are seemingly beyond

714
00:32:41,110 --> 00:32:32,650
anything we can create

715
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:49,570
boom that's not bad right

716
00:32:54,830 --> 00:32:52,280
[Music]

717
00:32:57,269 --> 00:32:54,840
[Laughter]

718
00:33:17,669 --> 00:32:57,279
um

719
00:33:23,909 --> 00:33:20,789
i'll put this in there

720
00:33:24,549 --> 00:33:23,919
i'm going to thank steve k for showing

721
00:33:26,789 --> 00:33:24,559
me this one

722
00:33:29,350 --> 00:33:26,799
charge of the technology that was taken

723
00:33:32,549 --> 00:33:29,360
from the wreckage at roswell

724
00:33:35,110 --> 00:33:32,559
and uh given the assignment of of

725
00:33:37,110 --> 00:33:35,120
farming this equipment out to various

726
00:33:39,669 --> 00:33:37,120
major american corporations

727
00:33:41,350 --> 00:33:39,679
to attempt to capitalize on the

728
00:33:43,029 --> 00:33:41,360
technology that was recovered from the

729
00:33:46,070 --> 00:33:43,039
roswell crash

730
00:33:48,710 --> 00:33:46,080
and so we we start to begin to see

731
00:33:50,950 --> 00:33:48,720
this extraordinarily interesting

732
00:33:53,029 --> 00:33:50,960
unfolding in front of us

733
00:33:54,870 --> 00:33:53,039
because what i want what i want to do

734
00:33:55,669 --> 00:33:54,880
today in the brief time that we have

735
00:33:59,029 --> 00:33:55,679
together

736
00:34:02,070 --> 00:33:59,039
is i want to talk about this

737
00:34:03,909 --> 00:34:02,080
this conspiracy set of conspiracy

738
00:34:04,830 --> 00:34:03,919
theories in the context of the ufo

739
00:34:07,830 --> 00:34:04,840
phenomenon

740
00:34:09,270 --> 00:34:07,840
because the cover-up on the part of the

741
00:34:12,470 --> 00:34:09,280
united states government

742
00:34:15,829 --> 00:34:15,349
so i just wanted to go through this

743
00:34:18,829 --> 00:34:15,839
quick

744
00:34:22,790 --> 00:34:18,839
with you so what he's about to explain

745
00:34:26,710 --> 00:34:25,829
who really put pressure on this stuff to

746
00:34:29,829 --> 00:34:26,720
put it to bed

747
00:34:31,109 --> 00:34:29,839
and it was time life magazine and then

748
00:34:34,230 --> 00:34:31,119
it kind of goes through the

749
00:34:34,710 --> 00:34:34,240
connections there of the people one of

750
00:34:37,510 --> 00:34:34,720
which

751
00:34:38,629 --> 00:34:37,520
is the person responsible for briefing

752
00:34:46,149 --> 00:34:38,639
general

753
00:34:51,589 --> 00:34:49,990
the reality of ufos and the reality of

754
00:34:52,710 --> 00:34:51,599
contact with an extraterrestrial

755
00:34:55,430 --> 00:34:52,720
civilization

756
00:34:56,550 --> 00:34:55,440
like this is without any doubt

757
00:34:58,950 --> 00:34:56,560
whatsoever

758
00:35:00,550 --> 00:34:58,960
the biggest and the most important

759
00:35:04,230 --> 00:35:00,560
conspiracy

760
00:35:07,750 --> 00:35:04,240
that exists uh in on our planet today

761
00:35:10,230 --> 00:35:07,760
and in our country uh what i want to do

762
00:35:11,270 --> 00:35:10,240
is before i address that directly i want

763
00:35:13,670 --> 00:35:11,280
to use as

764
00:35:14,630 --> 00:35:13,680
another example of this a discussion

765
00:35:17,750 --> 00:35:14,640
about what the second

766
00:35:19,270 --> 00:35:17,760
biggest conspiracy is that we're all

767
00:35:21,109 --> 00:35:19,280
aware of i think we probably all could

768
00:35:22,950 --> 00:35:21,119
think pretty clearly about what that is

769
00:35:28,829 --> 00:35:22,960
in addition to the ufo phenomenon the

770
00:35:36,230 --> 00:35:31,270
i don't know

771
00:35:36,240 --> 00:35:40,710
so oh yeah i

772
00:35:47,990 --> 00:35:44,470
i did not what the [\h__\h]

773
00:35:54,230 --> 00:35:48,000
sorry my my language well anyways

774
00:35:59,430 --> 00:35:57,990
24 1928 a critical period in there and

775
00:36:00,710 --> 00:35:59,440
it turns out that the people that were

776
00:36:04,310 --> 00:36:00,720
working with him

777
00:36:07,109 --> 00:36:04,320
included george herbert walker

778
00:36:08,310 --> 00:36:07,119
and people go let me see now george

779
00:36:16,310 --> 00:36:08,320
herbert walker

780
00:36:20,069 --> 00:36:16,320
bush one turns out that's his

781
00:36:23,109 --> 00:36:20,079
father-in-law and his father-in-law

782
00:36:25,750 --> 00:36:23,119
was one of the major financiers of

783
00:36:26,630 --> 00:36:25,760
the rise of hitler and the people that

784
00:36:29,829 --> 00:36:26,640
he worked with

785
00:36:30,710 --> 00:36:29,839
included john foster dulles and alan

786
00:36:32,630 --> 00:36:30,720
dallas

787
00:36:34,550 --> 00:36:32,640
alan dulles being the man who went on to

788
00:36:36,310 --> 00:36:34,560
become the director of the central

789
00:36:39,270 --> 00:36:36,320
intelligence agency

790
00:36:41,349 --> 00:36:39,280
and john foster dulles having been the

791
00:36:43,510 --> 00:36:41,359
secretary of state of the united states

792
00:36:46,230 --> 00:36:43,520
so you start to then begin to see wait a

793
00:36:49,589 --> 00:36:46,240
second this is now getting complex again

794
00:36:51,589 --> 00:36:49,599
because as it turns out this cabal of

795
00:36:54,150 --> 00:36:51,599
extreme reactionaries

796
00:36:55,349 --> 00:36:54,160
are also involved in having attempted to

797
00:36:57,510 --> 00:36:55,359
overthrow

798
00:36:59,030 --> 00:36:57,520
the united states government actually

799
00:37:01,829 --> 00:36:59,040
back in 1932

800
00:37:02,950 --> 00:37:01,839
it was actually an effort to generate a

801
00:37:05,829 --> 00:37:02,960
military

802
00:37:08,790 --> 00:37:05,839
coup against the roosevelt government

803
00:37:10,550 --> 00:37:08,800
back in 1932

804
00:37:13,349 --> 00:37:10,560
and now these are things that that

805
00:37:15,510 --> 00:37:13,359
people have almost never heard about

806
00:37:17,270 --> 00:37:15,520
but it becomes very important for us for

807
00:37:18,870 --> 00:37:17,280
this reason

808
00:37:21,750 --> 00:37:18,880
because it turns out that the

809
00:37:25,430 --> 00:37:21,760
hand-picked editor-in-chief

810
00:37:28,630 --> 00:37:25,440
of time life picked by henry lewis

811
00:37:31,910 --> 00:37:28,640
was a man by the name of c.d jackson

812
00:37:35,430 --> 00:37:31,920
and c.d jackson turns out to be the man

813
00:37:38,470 --> 00:37:35,440
named by colonel corso

814
00:37:41,030 --> 00:37:38,480
as his briefing officer

815
00:37:42,710 --> 00:37:41,040
when corso was put in charge of the

816
00:37:44,950 --> 00:37:42,720
technology that was taken from the

817
00:37:48,069 --> 00:37:44,960
wreckage at roswell

818
00:37:50,710 --> 00:37:48,079
and given the assignment of of

819
00:37:52,710 --> 00:37:50,720
farming this equipment out to various

820
00:37:55,270 --> 00:37:52,720
major american corporations

821
00:37:56,870 --> 00:37:55,280
to attempt to capitalize on the

822
00:37:58,550 --> 00:37:56,880
technology that was recovered from the

823
00:38:02,829 --> 00:37:58,560
roswell crash

824
00:38:10,710 --> 00:38:06,069
yeah so

825
00:38:18,150 --> 00:38:14,550
interesting isn't it

826
00:38:23,910 --> 00:38:18,160
hey italy girl what up

827
00:38:32,630 --> 00:38:27,190
so you can see there's

828
00:38:37,270 --> 00:38:32,640
plenty of

829
00:38:40,790 --> 00:38:37,280
hints and rumblings at crash retrievals

830
00:38:44,069 --> 00:38:40,800
so it's not new and

831
00:38:46,710 --> 00:38:44,079
what would be

832
00:38:48,310 --> 00:38:46,720
irritating anyone about the core bell

833
00:38:50,470 --> 00:38:48,320
thing would be his delivery

834
00:38:51,670 --> 00:38:50,480
and we went over that before to each

835
00:38:55,190 --> 00:38:51,680
their own

836
00:38:58,630 --> 00:38:55,200
so that was a long thing

837
00:39:00,550 --> 00:38:58,640
sorry um yeah go back and watch that

838
00:39:03,670 --> 00:39:00,560
video it's on dark sky

839
00:39:08,310 --> 00:39:03,680
um yeah the oswald thing is

840
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:11,829
he says

841
00:39:18,950 --> 00:39:15,349
what's up dj um

842
00:39:26,230 --> 00:39:18,960
that the person who actually shot him

843
00:39:31,910 --> 00:39:29,510
pretty interesting in that there was

844
00:39:33,990 --> 00:39:31,920
three people and these three people were

845
00:39:37,030 --> 00:39:34,000
assassination group and they actually

846
00:39:41,510 --> 00:39:37,040
went on a assassination plan

847
00:39:44,870 --> 00:39:41,520
to cuba and fidel castro

848
00:39:47,430 --> 00:39:44,880
kennedy's heard it they put a stop to it

849
00:39:52,470 --> 00:39:47,440
they're pretty pissed off that's what

850
00:39:59,670 --> 00:39:56,230
not bad huh

851
00:40:02,870 --> 00:39:59,680
actually i'll keep playing it while i

852
00:40:05,670 --> 00:40:02,880
take a quick break does that sound okay

853
00:40:07,109 --> 00:40:05,680
because we're going two hours today so

854
00:40:11,349 --> 00:40:07,119
uh ryan's coming in

855
00:40:15,030 --> 00:40:11,359
at 1.

856
00:40:20,309 --> 00:40:15,040
i've only had oh that's the wrong one

857
00:40:24,790 --> 00:40:22,950
i don't always travel the galaxy but

858
00:40:33,270 --> 00:40:24,800
when i do

859
00:40:58,870 --> 00:40:37,990
you guys are awesome all right

860
00:41:05,430 --> 00:41:01,910
oh god all right let's try it again here

861
00:41:09,030 --> 00:41:05,440
and i'll just let it go while i

862
00:41:14,950 --> 00:41:12,069
we we start to begin to see this

863
00:41:16,390 --> 00:41:14,960
extraordinarily interesting unfolding in

864
00:41:18,390 --> 00:41:16,400
front of us

865
00:41:19,990 --> 00:41:18,400
because what i want what i want to do

866
00:41:23,670 --> 00:41:20,000
today in the brief time that we

867
00:41:26,790 --> 00:41:23,680
have together is i want to talk about

868
00:41:28,790 --> 00:41:26,800
this this conspiracy set of

869
00:41:30,230 --> 00:41:28,800
conspiracy theories in the context of

870
00:41:33,270 --> 00:41:30,240
the ufo phenomenon

871
00:41:34,630 --> 00:41:33,280
because the cover-up on the part of the

872
00:41:38,069 --> 00:41:34,640
united states government

873
00:41:39,910 --> 00:41:38,079
of the reality of ufos

874
00:41:41,910 --> 00:41:39,920
and the reality of contact with an

875
00:41:44,630 --> 00:41:41,920
extraterrestrial civilization

876
00:41:45,750 --> 00:41:44,640
like this is without any doubt

877
00:41:48,150 --> 00:41:45,760
whatsoever

878
00:41:49,750 --> 00:41:48,160
the biggest and the most important

879
00:41:53,750 --> 00:41:49,760
conspiracy

880
00:41:57,270 --> 00:41:53,760
that exists uh in on our planet today in

881
00:41:59,829 --> 00:41:57,280
in our country what i want to do is

882
00:42:00,470 --> 00:41:59,839
before i address that directly i want to

883
00:42:02,790 --> 00:42:00,480
use as

884
00:42:03,829 --> 00:42:02,800
another example of this a discussion

885
00:42:06,950 --> 00:42:03,839
about what the second

886
00:42:08,470 --> 00:42:06,960
biggest conspiracy is that we're all

887
00:42:08,790 --> 00:42:08,480
aware of i think we probably all could

888
00:42:10,390 --> 00:42:08,800
think

889
00:42:12,150 --> 00:42:10,400
pretty clearly about what that is in

890
00:42:13,510 --> 00:42:12,160
addition to the ufo phenomenon the

891
00:42:15,829 --> 00:42:13,520
cover-up of the et's

892
00:42:17,349 --> 00:42:15,839
the biggest the most central conspiracy

893
00:42:18,870 --> 00:42:17,359
in the history of the united states

894
00:42:20,630 --> 00:42:18,880
is the assassination of president

895
00:42:22,710 --> 00:42:20,640
kennedy and uh

896
00:42:23,750 --> 00:42:22,720
and people will write immediately will

897
00:42:26,950 --> 00:42:23,760
say yes that's

898
00:42:29,030 --> 00:42:26,960
true and as it turns out i happen to be

899
00:42:31,349 --> 00:42:29,040
in a position to be able to speak quite

900
00:42:32,390 --> 00:42:31,359
directly to that and so what i want to

901
00:42:34,150 --> 00:42:32,400
do today

902
00:42:36,710 --> 00:42:34,160
given the fact that i was asked on short

903
00:42:38,470 --> 00:42:36,720
notice to talk with you

904
00:42:40,710 --> 00:42:38,480
i want to i want to tell you what it is

905
00:42:44,069 --> 00:42:40,720
that actually happened there

906
00:42:47,910 --> 00:42:44,079
and i think it's about time

907
00:42:49,589 --> 00:42:47,920
that that this was clarified directly

908
00:42:51,829 --> 00:42:49,599
because what's getting ready to happen

909
00:42:53,829 --> 00:42:51,839
is in june of this year

910
00:42:55,910 --> 00:42:53,839
just another couple months you're going

911
00:42:58,150 --> 00:42:55,920
to you're going to find something out

912
00:43:00,230 --> 00:42:58,160
that is going to be quite shocking and

913
00:43:02,790 --> 00:43:00,240
startling to all of you

914
00:43:03,750 --> 00:43:02,800
there is as we speak an article being

915
00:43:07,270 --> 00:43:03,760
prepared

916
00:43:09,430 --> 00:43:07,280
by new yorker magazine a 12 000

917
00:43:11,109 --> 00:43:09,440
word article that's going to be

918
00:43:13,190 --> 00:43:11,119
published

919
00:43:15,030 --> 00:43:13,200
and it's going to be it's it's being

920
00:43:18,069 --> 00:43:15,040
written right as we speak

921
00:43:20,710 --> 00:43:18,079
it's being written by a uh by two men

922
00:43:22,870 --> 00:43:20,720
a man by the name of jefferson morley

923
00:43:26,230 --> 00:43:22,880
and david talbot

924
00:43:29,510 --> 00:43:26,240
and what they're going to be revealing

925
00:43:31,670 --> 00:43:29,520
is that in june of 1968

926
00:43:33,430 --> 00:43:31,680
when bobby kennedy was killed at the

927
00:43:35,270 --> 00:43:33,440
ambassador hotel

928
00:43:38,390 --> 00:43:35,280
there has now been discovered a

929
00:43:41,589 --> 00:43:40,309
that was taken within minutes of the

930
00:43:44,870 --> 00:43:41,599
killing

931
00:43:47,270 --> 00:43:44,880
of three men standing in the lobby

932
00:43:48,950 --> 00:43:47,280
of the ambassador hotel which included

933
00:43:53,510 --> 00:43:48,960
david morales

934
00:43:55,510 --> 00:43:53,520
gordon campbell in jorge johandes

935
00:43:57,510 --> 00:43:55,520
now this doesn't mean anything to you

936
00:44:00,630 --> 00:43:57,520
yet but it turns out that

937
00:44:02,069 --> 00:44:00,640
david morales was in fact the shooter on

938
00:44:05,270 --> 00:44:02,079
the grassy knoll

939
00:44:09,349 --> 00:44:05,280
in daly plaza on november 22

940
00:44:11,670 --> 00:44:09,359
of 1963. and he was the

941
00:44:13,510 --> 00:44:11,680
the the lead shooter in the triangular

942
00:44:16,870 --> 00:44:13,520
fire team that was trained

943
00:44:21,109 --> 00:44:16,880
to assassinate fidel castro

944
00:44:22,150 --> 00:44:21,119
and jorge johannes was the head of the

945
00:44:26,069 --> 00:44:22,160
dre

946
00:44:28,870 --> 00:44:26,079
which is the cuban student group

947
00:44:30,309 --> 00:44:28,880
that oswald got into the argument with

948
00:44:32,470 --> 00:44:30,319
on the street corner

949
00:44:34,710 --> 00:44:32,480
in down in new orleans the famous

950
00:44:36,710 --> 00:44:34,720
incident that occurred down there

951
00:44:38,309 --> 00:44:36,720
but it turns out that these three men

952
00:44:39,670 --> 00:44:38,319
were actually standing right in the

953
00:44:41,589 --> 00:44:39,680
ambassador hotel

954
00:44:44,150 --> 00:44:41,599
in the lobby within minutes after the

955
00:44:47,109 --> 00:44:44,160
killing of bobby kennedy

956
00:44:48,069 --> 00:44:47,119
and a second revelation that's in the

957
00:44:50,710 --> 00:44:48,079
process of being

958
00:44:52,069 --> 00:44:50,720
made very soon is going to be undertaken

959
00:44:55,109 --> 00:44:52,079
by richard billings

960
00:44:57,030 --> 00:44:55,119
richard billings was the chief

961
00:44:58,790 --> 00:44:57,040
staff writer for the house select

962
00:45:01,270 --> 00:44:58,800
committee on assassinations

963
00:45:02,710 --> 00:45:01,280
there are a series of major intense

964
00:45:05,349 --> 00:45:02,720
meetings going on

965
00:45:08,069 --> 00:45:05,359
today actually they began yesterday and

966
00:45:10,390 --> 00:45:08,079
are continuing on to today

967
00:45:11,910 --> 00:45:10,400
in which dick billings is participating

968
00:45:13,750 --> 00:45:11,920
along with

969
00:45:14,950 --> 00:45:13,760
gayton fonzie who is the chief

970
00:45:16,470 --> 00:45:14,960
investigator for the house select

971
00:45:18,870 --> 00:45:16,480
committee on assassinations

972
00:45:20,309 --> 00:45:18,880
they're in communication with g robert

973
00:45:22,950 --> 00:45:20,319
blakey who is the staff

974
00:45:24,390 --> 00:45:22,960
staff chief they're now in the process

975
00:45:25,750 --> 00:45:24,400
of getting ready to reveal a second

976
00:45:29,670 --> 00:45:25,760
photograph

977
00:45:32,870 --> 00:45:29,680
which shows in daly plaza within seconds

978
00:45:36,230 --> 00:45:32,880
before the shooting a photograph of

979
00:45:38,710 --> 00:45:36,240
rip robertson in grayson lynch

980
00:45:40,630 --> 00:45:38,720
and that's important because rip

981
00:45:43,670 --> 00:45:40,640
robertson happens to be

982
00:45:45,349 --> 00:45:43,680
the fellow let me tell you who rip

983
00:45:47,030 --> 00:45:45,359
robertson is

984
00:45:48,790 --> 00:45:47,040
and why it's so important that he's

985
00:45:50,630 --> 00:45:48,800
standing right there in daley plaza and

986
00:45:53,349 --> 00:45:50,640
you can see the picture of the president

987
00:45:55,190 --> 00:45:53,359
in conley's vehicle going right past him

988
00:45:59,510 --> 00:45:55,200
and you can see him tipping his hat

989
00:46:02,710 --> 00:46:02,150
it turns out that the reason we know who

990
00:46:05,910 --> 00:46:02,720
he is

991
00:46:08,710 --> 00:46:05,920
is because back in june

992
00:46:09,309 --> 00:46:08,720
i'll take you together now back to june

993
00:46:14,069 --> 00:46:09,319
of

994
00:46:16,390 --> 00:46:14,079
months before the president

995
00:46:18,309 --> 00:46:16,400
was killed in dallas in november of

996
00:46:21,430 --> 00:46:18,319
1963.

997
00:46:24,069 --> 00:46:21,440
turns out that richard billings was

998
00:46:26,150 --> 00:46:24,079
at that time the miami bureau chief for

999
00:46:30,309 --> 00:46:26,160
time life magazine

1000
00:46:33,589 --> 00:46:30,319
and he received a call and was told to

1001
00:46:34,630 --> 00:46:33,599
go to the miami national airport this is

1002
00:46:37,670 --> 00:46:34,640
the night of june

1003
00:46:39,750 --> 00:46:37,680
8 of 1963.

1004
00:46:42,870 --> 00:46:39,760
he went to the miami national airport

1005
00:46:44,470 --> 00:46:42,880
international airport at midnight

1006
00:46:46,309 --> 00:46:44,480
was met by a group of men there and

1007
00:46:48,150 --> 00:46:46,319
taken to what they call corrosion corner

1008
00:46:51,750 --> 00:46:48,160
which is this big corner where the

1009
00:46:59,030 --> 00:46:51,760
the covert flights come out of miami

1010
00:47:02,069 --> 00:47:01,750
on to the ocean they landed on the ocean

1011
00:47:05,829 --> 00:47:02,079
and

1012
00:47:08,069 --> 00:47:05,839
large yacht

1013
00:47:09,990 --> 00:47:08,079
was called flying tight the flying tiger

1014
00:47:11,910 --> 00:47:10,000
too was owned by a man by the name of

1015
00:47:15,270 --> 00:47:11,920
william pauley

1016
00:47:17,750 --> 00:47:15,280
close friend of c d

1017
00:47:19,670 --> 00:47:17,760
jackson who was in fact the

1018
00:47:23,270 --> 00:47:19,680
editor-in-chief of time

1019
00:47:25,750 --> 00:47:23,280
life magazine and that's why billings

1020
00:47:27,750 --> 00:47:25,760
was asked to go because c.d jackson

1021
00:47:30,150 --> 00:47:27,760
the editor-in-chief of time life wanted

1022
00:47:32,470 --> 00:47:30,160
to have him on board

1023
00:47:34,950 --> 00:47:32,480
this yacht because they were they were

1024
00:47:37,270 --> 00:47:34,960
taking an assassination team

1025
00:47:38,150 --> 00:47:37,280
ashore that was going to make an attempt

1026
00:47:41,829 --> 00:47:38,160
to assassinate

1027
00:47:43,670 --> 00:47:41,839
fidel castro and

1028
00:47:46,630 --> 00:47:43,680
it turns out that the person who was in

1029
00:47:49,829 --> 00:47:46,640
charge of that assassination team

1030
00:47:56,069 --> 00:47:49,839
on that date from june 8th june 10th

1031
00:47:59,990 --> 00:47:58,950
all right that was pretty interesting

1032
00:48:03,190 --> 00:48:00,000
huh

1033
00:48:04,710 --> 00:48:03,200
i shared the link for you

1034
00:48:08,069 --> 00:48:04,720
so you can watch more of it if you want

1035
00:48:19,349 --> 00:48:09,910
oh come on og skywatch you're getting

1036
00:48:26,230 --> 00:48:23,750
for sure i can i can see that um

1037
00:48:27,750 --> 00:48:26,240
yeah so sprig is going to join us

1038
00:48:31,670 --> 00:48:27,760
shortly

1039
00:48:35,109 --> 00:48:31,680
um i kind of went through all uh

1040
00:48:37,589 --> 00:48:35,119
the material that i wanted to go through

1041
00:48:39,750 --> 00:48:37,599
so if you guys want to tackle any

1042
00:48:44,390 --> 00:48:39,760
questions or anything

1043
00:48:47,589 --> 00:48:44,400
let me know and we could do that

1044
00:48:47,990 --> 00:48:47,599
there is another great part of that

1045
00:48:52,150 --> 00:48:48,000
video

1046
00:48:55,190 --> 00:48:52,160
towards the end at about 55 minutes

1047
00:48:57,589 --> 00:48:55,200
where he talks about

1048
00:48:59,910 --> 00:48:57,599
how some of this stuff works right he he

1049
00:49:01,990 --> 00:48:59,920
goes

1050
00:49:03,990 --> 00:49:02,000
there's basically eight world theories

1051
00:49:06,470 --> 00:49:04,000
right

1052
00:49:07,270 --> 00:49:06,480
that's what he says and it's interesting

1053
00:49:11,430 --> 00:49:07,280
that there's

1054
00:49:15,670 --> 00:49:13,190
and when you take those eight colors and

1055
00:49:21,109 --> 00:49:15,680
mix them together you get a bright white

1056
00:49:26,630 --> 00:49:24,230
it's interesting he obviously knows a

1057
00:49:29,670 --> 00:49:26,640
lot of stuff

1058
00:49:33,990 --> 00:49:29,680
a lot so

1059
00:49:42,390 --> 00:49:38,710
i was very

1060
00:49:46,150 --> 00:49:44,390
like there needs to be a line divided

1061
00:49:49,270 --> 00:49:46,160
between sheehan and lou

1062
00:49:52,309 --> 00:49:49,280
which i'm starting to think

1063
00:49:55,510 --> 00:49:52,319
maybe mr sheehan

1064
00:49:57,510 --> 00:49:55,520
might actually uh

1065
00:50:00,790 --> 00:49:57,520
know what he's talking about because he

1066
00:50:05,109 --> 00:50:00,800
sure does with this stuff

1067
00:50:10,230 --> 00:50:07,750
i don't know is it unbelievable just

1068
00:50:12,069 --> 00:50:10,240
because of what he talks about

1069
00:50:13,589 --> 00:50:12,079
you know and what i mean is now that

1070
00:50:15,670 --> 00:50:13,599
he's on like jimmy church and fade to

1071
00:50:17,349 --> 00:50:15,680
black that kind of stuff he talks about

1072
00:50:19,270 --> 00:50:17,359
so he's obviously well put together he's

1073
00:50:22,230 --> 00:50:19,280
smart he's intelligent

1074
00:50:23,109 --> 00:50:22,240
and uh he talks like he does on fade to

1075
00:50:25,829 --> 00:50:23,119
black

1076
00:50:26,630 --> 00:50:25,839
which is taco talking about like witness

1077
00:50:30,069 --> 00:50:26,640
uh diploma

1078
00:50:34,309 --> 00:50:30,079
or citizen diplomacy

1079
00:50:40,230 --> 00:50:37,910
so that is interesting

1080
00:50:41,430 --> 00:50:40,240
um the conversation was actually on

1081
00:50:45,030 --> 00:50:41,440
conspiracies

1082
00:50:48,309 --> 00:50:45,040
and how to tell what a conspiracy is and

1083
00:50:50,309 --> 00:50:48,319
when it is not a conspiracy so

1084
00:50:51,510 --> 00:50:50,319
uh one that he talked about later was

1085
00:50:55,030 --> 00:50:51,520
actually

1086
00:50:58,870 --> 00:50:55,040
about john mack in the time life guy

1087
00:51:00,150 --> 00:50:58,880
um in that

1088
00:51:01,829 --> 00:51:00,160
you know people look back and they

1089
00:51:02,549 --> 00:51:01,839
thought maybe john mack was killed or

1090
00:51:04,630 --> 00:51:02,559
whatever

1091
00:51:06,790 --> 00:51:04,640
but that was actually just a drunken

1092
00:51:11,030 --> 00:51:06,800
mistake

1093
00:51:14,710 --> 00:51:13,270
uh the driver was drunk and hit him like

1094
00:51:17,430 --> 00:51:14,720
that's what it was

1095
00:51:18,150 --> 00:51:17,440
but there also was people putting

1096
00:51:21,829 --> 00:51:18,160
pressure

1097
00:51:22,710 --> 00:51:21,839
on him um john mack that is to not do

1098
00:51:26,470 --> 00:51:22,720
what he was doing

1099
00:51:28,790 --> 00:51:26,480
so his point was that people put those

1100
00:51:36,230 --> 00:51:28,800
things together and that's how the

1101
00:51:41,910 --> 00:51:36,240
conspiracy starts

1102
00:51:48,950 --> 00:51:45,510
uh i'm not sure if it was

1103
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:55,750
then what is out in the public

1104
00:51:55,760 --> 00:52:01,589
so

1105
00:52:04,630 --> 00:52:03,829
maybe that's uh went right over my head

1106
00:52:14,950 --> 00:52:04,640
kind of thing

1107
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:20,870
yeah maybe i'll save that for later

1108
00:52:27,990 --> 00:52:24,870
um but yeah i will try to find it yeah

1109
00:52:31,109 --> 00:52:30,069
yeah the career thing and there's always

1110
00:52:33,430 --> 00:52:31,119
these little

1111
00:52:34,309 --> 00:52:33,440
pieces of these people that just rub you

1112
00:52:36,470 --> 00:52:34,319
the wrong way

1113
00:52:37,430 --> 00:52:36,480
now here i am starting to think she ends

1114
00:52:41,829 --> 00:52:37,440
the man and then i

1115
00:52:45,510 --> 00:52:41,839
come back to that now but i could be

1116
00:52:47,349 --> 00:52:45,520
misadvised on that possibly who knows

1117
00:52:49,349 --> 00:52:47,359
i do know what he said about lou it was

1118
00:52:50,630 --> 00:52:49,359
terrible i do know that he runs his

1119
00:52:56,390 --> 00:52:50,640
stuff like a business

1120
00:53:04,790 --> 00:53:01,270
but um yeah so i'm trying to find

1121
00:53:11,510 --> 00:53:04,800
this other statement i have

1122
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:19,430
which is very interesting

1123
00:53:25,910 --> 00:53:23,670
let me figure out how i can do this here

1124
00:53:32,069 --> 00:53:25,920
i'll just i don't want to read it i want

1125
00:53:32,079 --> 00:53:38,790
i just have to get it on my computer

1126
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:45,589
that's all

1127
00:53:45,599 --> 00:53:49,349
um

1128
00:53:53,430 --> 00:53:50,710
what do you think is there going to be

1129
00:53:57,670 --> 00:53:55,349
like what else is coming down the road

1130
00:54:00,950 --> 00:53:57,680
is there more evidence coming you think

1131
00:54:05,990 --> 00:54:00,960
are we just kind of sitting here holding

1132
00:54:12,309 --> 00:54:10,470
i don't know

1133
00:54:16,470 --> 00:54:12,319
why do you guys think everybody goes on

1134
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:22,230
oh thanks guitar me

1135
00:54:30,630 --> 00:54:24,390
do you why does everyone go on jimmy

1136
00:54:38,950 --> 00:54:33,349
i mean i'm not saying it's bad or good

1137
00:54:42,390 --> 00:54:38,960
or anything in between but um

1138
00:54:46,789 --> 00:54:42,400
it's just interesting that uh these

1139
00:54:55,829 --> 00:54:50,150
well i mean i guess they do i don't know

1140
00:54:55,839 --> 00:55:01,109
all right

1141
00:55:13,349 --> 00:55:05,349
because he has 1450 under his belt

1142
00:55:18,870 --> 00:55:15,349
oh right right that's the radio station

1143
00:55:24,740 --> 00:55:22,549
yeah that's true well radio is

1144
00:55:27,750 --> 00:55:24,750
dead someone needs to tell him

1145
00:55:31,670 --> 00:55:27,760
[Laughter]

1146
00:55:33,670 --> 00:55:31,680
oh show us yeah that's a lot of shows

1147
00:55:35,589 --> 00:55:33,680
i actually am about to hit my hundredth

1148
00:55:42,309 --> 00:55:35,599
show

1149
00:55:42,319 --> 00:55:50,230
so the statement

1150
00:55:50,240 --> 00:55:57,990
let's do this

1151
00:56:01,030 --> 00:55:59,750
um i'm not sure if you guys can see this

1152
00:56:12,549 --> 00:56:01,040
or not but

1153
00:56:12,559 --> 00:56:15,829
there it is okay

1154
00:56:15,839 --> 00:56:24,150
yeah i know on april 24th of this year

1155
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:36,390
my capacity is 2001 general counsel

1156
00:56:43,190 --> 00:56:39,990
can you guys hear that stuff or not uh

1157
00:56:46,230 --> 00:56:43,200
read it or not here

1158
00:56:52,470 --> 00:56:46,240
i got some for you

1159
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:57,190
here

1160
00:57:04,950 --> 00:57:00,870
that's the statement i just posted it

1161
00:57:21,430 --> 00:57:13,510
have fun read it

1162
00:57:24,829 --> 00:57:23,430
yeah you guys comments come in a little

1163
00:57:29,109 --> 00:57:24,839
late i'm i'm

1164
00:57:35,109 --> 00:57:32,710
but um yeah i just posted it in the uh

1165
00:57:35,910 --> 00:57:35,119
notes there so you can read that if

1166
00:57:41,670 --> 00:57:35,920
you'd like

1167
00:57:49,510 --> 00:57:41,680
um that is

1168
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:52,950
so have fun with that

1169
00:58:01,430 --> 00:57:58,069
reading is hard reading is hard oh

1170
00:58:02,630 --> 00:58:01,440
i got a bunch of books you guys should

1171
00:58:06,630 --> 00:58:02,640
tell me which one to

1172
00:58:08,069 --> 00:58:06,640
start with i just picked random ones and

1173
00:58:10,309 --> 00:58:08,079
i don't really necessarily know about

1174
00:58:16,230 --> 00:58:10,319
the authors

1175
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:24,470
this one

1176
00:58:30,710 --> 00:58:27,589
all right i think somebody's here

1177
00:58:31,670 --> 00:58:30,720
knocking at the door it reminds me of mr

1178
00:58:33,750 --> 00:58:31,680
rogers you know

1179
00:58:37,670 --> 00:58:33,760
oh somebody's at the door let me put on

1180
00:58:39,510 --> 00:58:37,680
my sweater and go answer it

1181
00:58:41,750 --> 00:58:39,520
we have a very special guest today he is

1182
00:58:45,510 --> 00:58:41,760
the host of somewhere in the skies

1183
00:58:48,549 --> 00:58:45,520
podcast he is an author for the debrief

1184
00:58:50,549 --> 00:58:48,559
media he has also written a book at

1185
00:58:53,829 --> 00:58:50,559
least one i know

1186
00:58:57,109 --> 00:58:53,839
and uh is very fantastic at what he

1187
00:58:57,510 --> 00:58:57,119
does and i'm very delighted to have him

1188
00:59:01,030 --> 00:58:57,520
on

1189
00:59:03,190 --> 00:59:01,040
with us so

1190
00:59:04,150 --> 00:59:03,200
here he is mr ryan how are you sean

1191
00:59:07,349 --> 00:59:04,160
what's up my man

1192
00:59:09,990 --> 00:59:07,359
hello neighbor how's that for mr rogers

1193
00:59:11,510 --> 00:59:10,000
yeah right hey hey that is the first

1194
00:59:13,030 --> 00:59:11,520
time i've ever been compared to mr

1195
00:59:16,230 --> 00:59:13,040
rogers and that is uh

1196
00:59:17,270 --> 00:59:16,240
beyond uh flattering so thanks man thank

1197
00:59:18,789 --> 00:59:17,280
you for having me

1198
00:59:20,870 --> 00:59:18,799
yeah no it's my pleasure thanks for

1199
00:59:23,589 --> 00:59:20,880
coming and i'm you know

1200
00:59:24,150 --> 00:59:23,599
i'm not necessarily comparing you to mr

1201
00:59:26,150 --> 00:59:24,160
rogers

1202
00:59:28,309 --> 00:59:26,160
as much as just how the whole thing

1203
00:59:31,430 --> 00:59:28,319
makes me feel when somebody arrives

1204
00:59:32,470 --> 00:59:31,440
right right well you do a damn good job

1205
00:59:35,430 --> 00:59:32,480
at it my man so

1206
00:59:36,230 --> 00:59:35,440
thank you i love that poster uh puerto

1207
00:59:38,230 --> 00:59:36,240
rico

1208
00:59:39,589 --> 00:59:38,240
oh thank you yeah that's part of a

1209
00:59:41,430 --> 00:59:39,599
series um

1210
00:59:42,950 --> 00:59:41,440
it's really cool the artist he does all

1211
00:59:45,910 --> 00:59:42,960
these twa

1212
00:59:46,549 --> 00:59:45,920
posters you know like the old uh i've

1213
00:59:49,190 --> 00:59:46,559
got a

1214
00:59:49,990 --> 00:59:49,200
russian one i've got chupacabra i've got

1215
00:59:52,630 --> 00:59:50,000
a um

1216
00:59:53,109 --> 00:59:52,640
loch ness monster somewhere here but uh

1217
00:59:56,630 --> 00:59:53,119
yeah

1218
00:59:57,990 --> 00:59:56,640
time we talk i'll probably have a

1219
01:00:01,030 --> 00:59:58,000
different one

1220
01:00:02,630 --> 01:00:01,040
it's so hard to find a good art uh like

1221
01:00:06,069 --> 01:00:02,640
ufo art like i would love

1222
01:00:06,630 --> 01:00:06,079
old 50s ufo art flying saucer stuff you

1223
01:00:08,789 --> 01:00:06,640
know that'd be

1224
01:00:10,069 --> 01:00:08,799
i know all the old book covers and

1225
01:00:12,390 --> 01:00:10,079
everything yeah it's

1226
01:00:13,829 --> 01:00:12,400
nostalgic to say the least yeah well

1227
01:00:15,510 --> 01:00:13,839
somebody will do that and make a bunch

1228
01:00:17,510 --> 01:00:15,520
of money i'm sure it's something oh yeah

1229
01:00:20,069 --> 01:00:17,520
only a matter of time i know i got a few

1230
01:00:22,150 --> 01:00:20,079
50s comic book style things on my own

1231
01:00:25,589 --> 01:00:22,160
store so

1232
01:00:26,710 --> 01:00:25,599
um so let me ask you um

1233
01:00:28,630 --> 01:00:26,720
you know if there's anything you don't

1234
01:00:31,109 --> 01:00:28,640
want to talk about that's fine but

1235
01:00:32,309 --> 01:00:31,119
um you know what i'm an open book man

1236
01:00:35,829 --> 01:00:32,319
whatever you need

1237
01:00:38,309 --> 01:00:35,839
well what really

1238
01:00:38,950 --> 01:00:38,319
kind of has stuck with me for a bit now

1239
01:00:41,190 --> 01:00:38,960
is

1240
01:00:43,430 --> 01:00:41,200
your tweet on how you felt a little

1241
01:00:48,069 --> 01:00:43,440
burnt out

1242
01:00:51,430 --> 01:00:48,079
yeah and you know i think that's

1243
01:00:54,549 --> 01:00:51,440
more common than not especially in this

1244
01:00:56,230 --> 01:00:54,559
scenario where there's seemingly a

1245
01:00:59,109 --> 01:00:56,240
finish line

1246
01:01:01,270 --> 01:00:59,119
somewhere but you don't know where you

1247
01:01:02,630 --> 01:01:01,280
know you know

1248
01:01:04,870 --> 01:01:02,640
and meanwhile you're working your butt

1249
01:01:06,470 --> 01:01:04,880
off so are you still

1250
01:01:08,470 --> 01:01:06,480
in that place or is there anything that

1251
01:01:10,549 --> 01:01:08,480
spurred it like how are you feeling

1252
01:01:13,030 --> 01:01:10,559
yeah oh i'm so happy you asked me that

1253
01:01:15,829 --> 01:01:13,040
because i think a lot of people

1254
01:01:17,349 --> 01:01:15,839
um feel that way i think a lot was

1255
01:01:20,630 --> 01:01:17,359
building up to this

1256
01:01:22,150 --> 01:01:20,640
report coming out um this seven page

1257
01:01:24,230 --> 01:01:22,160
report as we know now

1258
01:01:25,829 --> 01:01:24,240
i think we've all memorized it by heart

1259
01:01:28,150 --> 01:01:25,839
but um

1260
01:01:29,670 --> 01:01:28,160
you know so much anticipation leading up

1261
01:01:32,549 --> 01:01:29,680
to it it comes out

1262
01:01:34,390 --> 01:01:32,559
we all dissected it went through it and

1263
01:01:35,910 --> 01:01:34,400
now we're kind of like now what

1264
01:01:37,750 --> 01:01:35,920
and you know i've been seeing a lot on

1265
01:01:38,470 --> 01:01:37,760
like ufo twitter and stuff people being

1266
01:01:46,230 --> 01:01:38,480
like

1267
01:01:48,710 --> 01:01:46,240
can't say that it was the

1268
01:01:50,309 --> 01:01:48,720
report that did that to me but like you

1269
01:01:52,230 --> 01:01:50,319
know man

1270
01:01:53,510 --> 01:01:52,240
that whole couple months leading up to

1271
01:01:56,549 --> 01:01:53,520
it we were all

1272
01:01:59,190 --> 01:01:56,559
just constantly constantly

1273
01:02:00,390 --> 01:01:59,200
doing these live streams and and trying

1274
01:02:02,150 --> 01:02:00,400
to you know

1275
01:02:03,990 --> 01:02:02,160
just discuss this stuff and i think

1276
01:02:05,990 --> 01:02:04,000
right now we're living in um

1277
01:02:07,670 --> 01:02:06,000
it's kind of like new year's day you

1278
01:02:10,309 --> 01:02:07,680
know it's like the party's over

1279
01:02:10,950 --> 01:02:10,319
gotta clean up gotta look forward to

1280
01:02:13,990 --> 01:02:10,960
what comes

1281
01:02:17,029 --> 01:02:14,000
next and um for me i think i was just

1282
01:02:18,549 --> 01:02:17,039
uh i've been out of work for like since

1283
01:02:21,430 --> 01:02:18,559
the lockdown started

1284
01:02:21,670 --> 01:02:21,440
um during the pandemic no it's okay man

1285
01:02:37,750 --> 01:02:21,680
i

1286
01:02:40,630 --> 01:02:37,760
own stuff a new book uh the podcast

1287
01:02:41,829 --> 01:02:40,640
but i think for me just seeing it all

1288
01:02:44,950 --> 01:02:41,839
over every

1289
01:02:46,150 --> 01:02:44,960
news outlet um you know all over twitter

1290
01:02:49,510 --> 01:02:46,160
all over youtube

1291
01:02:52,390 --> 01:02:49,520
i just i woke up one morning and i

1292
01:02:54,230 --> 01:02:52,400
saw like three flying saucers on books

1293
01:02:56,789 --> 01:02:54,240
in my house and i was just like

1294
01:02:57,589 --> 01:02:56,799
i felt nauseous and and i don't mean

1295
01:03:00,390 --> 01:02:57,599
that really

1296
01:03:01,670 --> 01:03:00,400
in like oh so sick of this but i was

1297
01:03:04,150 --> 01:03:01,680
just done man

1298
01:03:05,270 --> 01:03:04,160
like you know we all have lives outside

1299
01:03:08,390 --> 01:03:05,280
of this stuff

1300
01:03:09,510 --> 01:03:08,400
and um i was kind of waiting for my my

1301
01:03:11,430 --> 01:03:09,520
life to restart

1302
01:03:13,029 --> 01:03:11,440
sure and um hopefully that's gonna

1303
01:03:14,950 --> 01:03:13,039
happen soon i live in new york city

1304
01:03:17,349 --> 01:03:14,960
where i uh work on broadway

1305
01:03:18,150 --> 01:03:17,359
so we're hoping that yeah you're an

1306
01:03:20,309 --> 01:03:18,160
actor

1307
01:03:22,950 --> 01:03:20,319
too aren't you i've done acting in the

1308
01:03:25,910 --> 01:03:22,960
past uh mostly i'm a play right now

1309
01:03:26,789 --> 01:03:25,920
oh wow but yeah man it's um hopefully in

1310
01:03:28,870 --> 01:03:26,799
september

1311
01:03:30,230 --> 01:03:28,880
uh the great white way will be coming

1312
01:03:32,390 --> 01:03:30,240
back but um

1313
01:03:33,510 --> 01:03:32,400
yeah i felt burnt out and then i talked

1314
01:03:36,470 --> 01:03:33,520
to vinnie

1315
01:03:38,390 --> 01:03:36,480
over at uh disclosure team yes and um we

1316
01:03:41,430 --> 01:03:38,400
had a really good chat

1317
01:03:43,109 --> 01:03:41,440
and uh that really i i could say this

1318
01:03:45,990 --> 01:03:43,119
that reinvigorated me

1319
01:03:48,710 --> 01:03:46,000
because i i love seeing all you guys

1320
01:03:50,789 --> 01:03:48,720
doing this stuff because i am learning

1321
01:03:53,829 --> 01:03:50,799
so much and i've been doing the ufo

1322
01:03:57,829 --> 01:03:53,839
thing since i was like 13 man but um

1323
01:03:59,990 --> 01:03:57,839
wow to see people like you and uh

1324
01:04:03,190 --> 01:04:00,000
unidentified celebrity review

1325
01:04:05,510 --> 01:04:03,200
and and vinnie and um who else we got

1326
01:04:07,270 --> 01:04:05,520
undead gaucho like just everybody out

1327
01:04:10,230 --> 01:04:07,280
there doing their thing

1328
01:04:10,950 --> 01:04:10,240
it makes me it's like having a uh a

1329
01:04:12,630 --> 01:04:10,960
spotter

1330
01:04:15,190 --> 01:04:12,640
at the gym you know you've got to keep

1331
01:04:16,390 --> 01:04:15,200
each other motivated or else you're just

1332
01:04:18,789 --> 01:04:16,400
going to sit at home and

1333
01:04:20,309 --> 01:04:18,799
yeah eat another pizza and the rocky guy

1334
01:04:21,270 --> 01:04:20,319
who tries to do it alone you're going to

1335
01:04:24,230 --> 01:04:21,280
get punished

1336
01:04:26,230 --> 01:04:24,240
exactly so i have to thank all you guys

1337
01:04:28,630 --> 01:04:26,240
for um i was feeling really

1338
01:04:29,750 --> 01:04:28,640
down and out and like i i don't know

1339
01:04:31,910 --> 01:04:29,760
where to go from here

1340
01:04:32,789 --> 01:04:31,920
like yeah the the podcast was feeling

1341
01:04:35,829 --> 01:04:32,799
stagnant

1342
01:04:37,029 --> 01:04:35,839
um i had severe writer's block with my

1343
01:04:39,990 --> 01:04:37,039
new book i'm writing

1344
01:04:42,069 --> 01:04:40,000
and i just i i passion tweeted that

1345
01:04:42,870 --> 01:04:42,079
thing out like i'm done guys i'm running

1346
01:04:45,589 --> 01:04:42,880
on fumes

1347
01:04:46,870 --> 01:04:45,599
and holy crap man like the positive

1348
01:04:49,510 --> 01:04:46,880
support i got

1349
01:04:50,630 --> 01:04:49,520
with that one tweet was just incredible

1350
01:04:52,950 --> 01:04:50,640
including yourself

1351
01:04:54,470 --> 01:04:52,960
and um yeah that's kind of where i'm at

1352
01:04:56,069 --> 01:04:54,480
now i'm slowly

1353
01:04:58,309 --> 01:04:56,079
building the muscles back up and i'm

1354
01:04:58,789 --> 01:04:58,319
ready to go back in the ufc gym i think

1355
01:05:01,270 --> 01:04:58,799
so yeah

1356
01:05:02,789 --> 01:05:01,280
awesome the one thing there's a couple

1357
01:05:04,150 --> 01:05:02,799
things if you don't mind that i would

1358
01:05:07,270 --> 01:05:04,160
that i would say

1359
01:05:11,430 --> 01:05:07,280
um one of which is

1360
01:05:14,630 --> 01:05:11,440
allow yourself to be frustrated

1361
01:05:17,349 --> 01:05:14,640
and to take a break because

1362
01:05:17,829 --> 01:05:17,359
it is a frustrating topic and everybody

1363
01:05:20,230 --> 01:05:17,839
gets

1364
01:05:21,029 --> 01:05:20,240
tired scott brown was in here he just

1365
01:05:22,950 --> 01:05:21,039
commented

1366
01:05:25,029 --> 01:05:22,960
he's been doing this for a while he quit

1367
01:05:28,549 --> 01:05:25,039
the field three times

1368
01:05:30,630 --> 01:05:28,559
yeah for extended periods of time yeah

1369
01:05:32,309 --> 01:05:30,640
i've been there for scott's quitting and

1370
01:05:34,470 --> 01:05:32,319
i just dude

1371
01:05:36,069 --> 01:05:34,480
you're so right you're so right like

1372
01:05:38,309 --> 01:05:36,079
there's times i just want to leave

1373
01:05:40,230 --> 01:05:38,319
but yeah yeah something always pulls you

1374
01:05:42,950 --> 01:05:40,240
back in but yeah sorry to enjoy yeah

1375
01:05:44,470 --> 01:05:42,960
no no and i just wanted to relate it to

1376
01:05:45,510 --> 01:05:44,480
something you're probably very familiar

1377
01:05:47,910 --> 01:05:45,520
with which is

1378
01:05:48,549 --> 01:05:47,920
you know anytime we work on big projects

1379
01:05:51,430 --> 01:05:48,559
right

1380
01:05:53,349 --> 01:05:51,440
whether you're writing a play or i'm

1381
01:05:56,069 --> 01:05:53,359
writing a song or whatever

1382
01:05:57,270 --> 01:05:56,079
and you have all this build up right to

1383
01:05:59,589 --> 01:05:57,280
the actual event

1384
01:06:01,510 --> 01:05:59,599
where it's going to be performed and

1385
01:06:03,349 --> 01:06:01,520
you've done all this marketing

1386
01:06:05,029 --> 01:06:03,359
and then you perform the show or you

1387
01:06:07,750 --> 01:06:05,039
release the album or

1388
01:06:09,430 --> 01:06:07,760
you know put on the play then it's over

1389
01:06:12,670 --> 01:06:09,440
then you have the same

1390
01:06:15,430 --> 01:06:12,680
feeling now what yeah it's like a

1391
01:06:15,910 --> 01:06:15,440
post-creation depression afterwards you

1392
01:06:18,549 --> 01:06:15,920
know

1393
01:06:19,109 --> 01:06:18,559
ah yeah it's the perfect framing of it

1394
01:06:21,430 --> 01:06:19,119
man i

1395
01:06:22,950 --> 01:06:21,440
know that feeling yeah yeah when i do

1396
01:06:25,510 --> 01:06:22,960
plays it's the same thing you

1397
01:06:26,390 --> 01:06:25,520
you build a trust and you build like a

1398
01:06:28,870 --> 01:06:26,400
family

1399
01:06:30,789 --> 01:06:28,880
in a cast you do the most intimate thing

1400
01:06:33,750 --> 01:06:30,799
you can do which is

1401
01:06:34,309 --> 01:06:33,760
perform create a world with these people

1402
01:06:36,309 --> 01:06:34,319
and then

1403
01:06:38,309 --> 01:06:36,319
it's over and you gotta move on with

1404
01:06:38,630 --> 01:06:38,319
your life and move on to the next thing

1405
01:06:39,910 --> 01:06:38,640
and

1406
01:06:42,309 --> 01:06:39,920
that's kind of what happened with my

1407
01:06:44,309 --> 01:06:42,319
podcast i was just feeling like

1408
01:06:45,990 --> 01:06:44,319
um every week i just had to get

1409
01:06:48,230 --> 01:06:46,000
something out had to get something out

1410
01:06:49,750 --> 01:06:48,240
instead of um sitting back and being

1411
01:06:51,670 --> 01:06:49,760
like wow that was an amazing

1412
01:06:54,710 --> 01:06:51,680
conversation i just had with vinnie

1413
01:06:57,349 --> 01:06:54,720
or you know with whoever my guest is and

1414
01:06:57,990 --> 01:06:57,359
absorb that the information instead of

1415
01:07:01,589 --> 01:06:58,000
just

1416
01:07:04,150 --> 01:07:01,599
has to be out so

1417
01:07:05,349 --> 01:07:04,160
um no i appreciate that and it's good

1418
01:07:07,270 --> 01:07:05,359
it's good to reflect

1419
01:07:08,549 --> 01:07:07,280
and uh you know know where you've been

1420
01:07:10,150 --> 01:07:08,559
and where you're going and

1421
01:07:12,710 --> 01:07:10,160
i think i was too worried about where i

1422
01:07:14,549 --> 01:07:12,720
was going and finding the answers to the

1423
01:07:16,870 --> 01:07:14,559
ufo question which

1424
01:07:18,309 --> 01:07:16,880
you know we're not even close to doing

1425
01:07:21,430 --> 01:07:18,319
man but uh

1426
01:07:23,109 --> 01:07:21,440
yeah yeah i i feel you for sure

1427
01:07:25,430 --> 01:07:23,119
sean cahill said it pretty good i think

1428
01:07:26,829 --> 01:07:25,440
when uh he said you don't have to lose

1429
01:07:29,910 --> 01:07:26,839
yourself to this

1430
01:07:32,390 --> 01:07:29,920
right absolutely that hit me

1431
01:07:33,190 --> 01:07:32,400
you know because at least when i started

1432
01:07:34,870 --> 01:07:33,200
getting into this

1433
01:07:37,029 --> 01:07:34,880
it definitely started taking away from

1434
01:07:40,549 --> 01:07:37,039
other things attention from other things

1435
01:07:43,349 --> 01:07:40,559
you know time money um and i think it's

1436
01:07:45,349 --> 01:07:43,359
really easy to just get swept away and

1437
01:07:47,029 --> 01:07:45,359
then become all ufos but

1438
01:07:48,630 --> 01:07:47,039
i don't think we'll be any good if we do

1439
01:07:51,029 --> 01:07:48,640
that right because

1440
01:07:53,029 --> 01:07:51,039
we get burnt the frick out and then what

1441
01:07:55,349 --> 01:07:53,039
good are we

1442
01:07:57,029 --> 01:07:55,359
you're so right man and you know i could

1443
01:07:57,670 --> 01:07:57,039
tell you're a musician because it's the

1444
01:08:01,829 --> 01:07:57,680
same

1445
01:08:04,710 --> 01:08:01,839
you start to hate your work

1446
01:08:05,270 --> 01:08:04,720
because it becomes a job and that's like

1447
01:08:07,829 --> 01:08:05,280
the word

1448
01:08:09,190 --> 01:08:07,839
it's it's the dream like make your craft

1449
01:08:10,069 --> 01:08:09,200
your job but then when it actually

1450
01:08:12,069 --> 01:08:10,079
happens

1451
01:08:13,750 --> 01:08:12,079
you're like oh this feels too much like

1452
01:08:15,349 --> 01:08:13,760
i'm punching in and punching out i don't

1453
01:08:17,510 --> 01:08:15,359
want to do that but

1454
01:08:20,229 --> 01:08:17,520
that's funny isn't it it is and you're

1455
01:08:24,070 --> 01:08:20,239
right like ufos are a part of my life

1456
01:08:25,749 --> 01:08:24,080
every single day for hours on end

1457
01:08:27,910 --> 01:08:25,759
and there's times i love it and times

1458
01:08:29,749 --> 01:08:27,920
where i'm like what else is going on in

1459
01:08:30,789 --> 01:08:29,759
the world you know we've been so focused

1460
01:08:34,470 --> 01:08:30,799
on this report

1461
01:08:36,709 --> 01:08:34,480
and and lou elizondo and tom delong

1462
01:08:38,309 --> 01:08:36,719
and blah blah blah when in reality like

1463
01:08:40,789 --> 01:08:38,319
there's a whole world

1464
01:08:41,590 --> 01:08:40,799
out there and i think we sometimes

1465
01:08:43,829 --> 01:08:41,600
forget that

1466
01:08:45,829 --> 01:08:43,839
and um that's kind of where i'm at right

1467
01:08:48,789 --> 01:08:45,839
now i kind of stepped back

1468
01:08:50,470 --> 01:08:48,799
and uh opened a script one of my plays

1469
01:08:52,070 --> 01:08:50,480
that i've been writing and hadn't looked

1470
01:08:55,749 --> 01:08:52,080
at in over a year and a half

1471
01:08:58,709 --> 01:08:55,759
and oh dude that feeling of like nice

1472
01:08:59,189 --> 01:08:58,719
inspiration it was amazing yeah that's

1473
01:09:03,110 --> 01:08:59,199
great

1474
01:09:06,390 --> 01:09:03,120
so now i'm writing a ufo play go fake

1475
01:09:06,950 --> 01:09:06,400
hey you combine the two i wrote a ufo

1476
01:09:10,789 --> 01:09:06,960
album

1477
01:09:11,510 --> 01:09:10,799
so exactly exactly and your elizondo

1478
01:09:14,950 --> 01:09:11,520
song man

1479
01:09:16,950 --> 01:09:14,960
uh oh yes and that one yeah i loved it

1480
01:09:19,510 --> 01:09:16,960
loved it that hit the mark apparently

1481
01:09:20,229 --> 01:09:19,520
so yeah that was cool i've written a lot

1482
01:09:23,510 --> 01:09:20,239
of songs

1483
01:09:25,030 --> 01:09:23,520
like that you know with the folky slow

1484
01:09:27,030 --> 01:09:25,040
stuff but

1485
01:09:28,550 --> 01:09:27,040
you know uh that one took just like five

1486
01:09:31,110 --> 01:09:28,560
minutes put it up and

1487
01:09:33,430 --> 01:09:31,120
you know it's just the weirdest thing it

1488
01:09:34,070 --> 01:09:33,440
is it's amazing how things catch on or

1489
01:09:36,149 --> 01:09:34,080
don't

1490
01:09:39,349 --> 01:09:36,159
um but no man like your heart was in

1491
01:09:43,430 --> 01:09:41,349
well it's people like you to be quite

1492
01:09:45,910 --> 01:09:43,440
honest um

1493
01:09:46,550 --> 01:09:45,920
make me give me the ability to feel

1494
01:09:49,669 --> 01:09:46,560
comfortable

1495
01:09:50,630 --> 01:09:49,679
in being myself i feel like the one

1496
01:09:54,470 --> 01:09:50,640
thing about you

1497
01:09:57,510 --> 01:09:54,480
is that you are true to who you are

1498
01:09:59,830 --> 01:09:57,520
and there's no bound bones about it and

1499
01:10:03,750 --> 01:09:59,840
you're confident in who that is

1500
01:10:07,270 --> 01:10:03,760
and that shows and that gives me

1501
01:10:09,430 --> 01:10:07,280
confidence in myself and to be who i am

1502
01:10:10,470 --> 01:10:09,440
because other people are doing it you

1503
01:10:13,669 --> 01:10:10,480
know yeah

1504
01:10:15,669 --> 01:10:13,679
and so so you know definitely

1505
01:10:17,590 --> 01:10:15,679
there's a lot of things that happen that

1506
01:10:19,510 --> 01:10:17,600
you may do

1507
01:10:21,830 --> 01:10:19,520
just like people do in in your life that

1508
01:10:24,630 --> 01:10:21,840
you're seeing that but you don't really

1509
01:10:26,149 --> 01:10:24,640
realize the kind of effect it has but

1510
01:10:27,590 --> 01:10:26,159
when you have good intentions and a pure

1511
01:10:30,630 --> 01:10:27,600
heart like you do

1512
01:10:32,790 --> 01:10:30,640
um people are gonna

1513
01:10:34,070 --> 01:10:32,800
get that good vibe in all sorts of

1514
01:10:34,870 --> 01:10:34,080
different ways that you don't even

1515
01:10:38,310 --> 01:10:34,880
realize

1516
01:10:40,950 --> 01:10:38,320
so know that when you get burnt out

1517
01:10:42,470 --> 01:10:40,960
no thank you man again it's here and

1518
01:10:44,470 --> 01:10:42,480
stuff like that that makes it worth it

1519
01:10:45,350 --> 01:10:44,480
and it makes me feel like it's a true

1520
01:10:48,229 --> 01:10:45,360
community

1521
01:10:48,550 --> 01:10:48,239
like you know within the past few years

1522
01:10:55,030 --> 01:10:48,560
this

1523
01:10:55,590 --> 01:10:55,040
off and i met so many new people and i

1524
01:10:58,950 --> 01:10:55,600
think the

1525
01:11:01,590 --> 01:10:58,960
the issue with that is a lot of the old

1526
01:11:04,149 --> 01:11:01,600
guard who have been in this for so long

1527
01:11:05,030 --> 01:11:04,159
um they saw a bunch of new people coming

1528
01:11:08,390 --> 01:11:05,040
into this field

1529
01:11:10,470 --> 01:11:08,400
guns ablaze in and just uh you know

1530
01:11:11,990 --> 01:11:10,480
kind of shamed all these people like you

1531
01:11:14,149 --> 01:11:12,000
don't know the history

1532
01:11:15,430 --> 01:11:14,159
like you're you're like you don't like

1533
01:11:17,430 --> 01:11:15,440
that's wrong blah blah blah

1534
01:11:19,189 --> 01:11:17,440
and the way i look at it man again i've

1535
01:11:20,950 --> 01:11:19,199
been doing this since i was 13. i'm not

1536
01:11:22,310 --> 01:11:20,960
a young gun by any stretch of the

1537
01:11:25,189 --> 01:11:22,320
imagination

1538
01:11:26,709 --> 01:11:25,199
of in terms of the ufo field but um i've

1539
01:11:30,189 --> 01:11:26,719
been doing it for a while

1540
01:11:33,350 --> 01:11:30,199
and as i saw this community growing and

1541
01:11:35,990 --> 01:11:33,360
diversifying uh it's what i

1542
01:11:36,950 --> 01:11:36,000
personally have wanted in this field for

1543
01:11:39,189 --> 01:11:36,960
so long

1544
01:11:40,149 --> 01:11:39,199
you know when i got into it it's all

1545
01:11:42,790 --> 01:11:40,159
just old

1546
01:11:44,070 --> 01:11:42,800
old white men and that was about it and

1547
01:11:47,270 --> 01:11:44,080
now everywhere i turn

1548
01:11:47,990 --> 01:11:47,280
every voice is now being amplified in

1549
01:11:49,990 --> 01:11:48,000
this field

1550
01:11:52,390 --> 01:11:50,000
and i think that's incredible it's

1551
01:11:53,350 --> 01:11:52,400
beautiful and we haven't had that ever

1552
01:11:56,310 --> 01:11:53,360
before

1553
01:11:57,110 --> 01:11:56,320
so i say embrace it you know when you

1554
01:11:59,750 --> 01:11:57,120
have these

1555
01:12:00,709 --> 01:11:59,760
older guard people being like like they

1556
01:12:02,550 --> 01:12:00,719
don't know what they're talking about

1557
01:12:05,030 --> 01:12:02,560
they just got into ufos last year

1558
01:12:05,669 --> 01:12:05,040
i'm like so what so did you at some

1559
01:12:09,430 --> 01:12:05,679
point

1560
01:12:12,550 --> 01:12:09,440
like you stumble along the way

1561
01:12:14,709 --> 01:12:12,560
i sure as hell did so um again

1562
01:12:15,830 --> 01:12:14,719
i i think it's amazing all these things

1563
01:12:18,630 --> 01:12:15,840
started somewhere

1564
01:12:19,510 --> 01:12:18,640
exactly dude exactly so um yeah i'm on

1565
01:12:22,850 --> 01:12:19,520
that weird

1566
01:12:25,750 --> 01:12:22,860
old guard new guard

1567
01:12:27,510 --> 01:12:25,760
[Laughter]

1568
01:12:29,910 --> 01:12:27,520
myself that way i can hang with the old

1569
01:12:33,030 --> 01:12:29,920
dudes and i can hang with the uh

1570
01:12:34,709 --> 01:12:33,040
the youngins so yeah

1571
01:12:36,149 --> 01:12:34,719
yeah that that's interesting that's an

1572
01:12:40,149 --> 01:12:36,159
interesting point because

1573
01:12:43,910 --> 01:12:40,159
um you know i think

1574
01:12:48,149 --> 01:12:43,920
as a new person i'm trying my best

1575
01:12:50,149 --> 01:12:48,159
to be careful with the things i say

1576
01:12:51,430 --> 01:12:50,159
i know or found out and i learned that

1577
01:12:53,430 --> 01:12:51,440
the hard way like

1578
01:12:54,950 --> 01:12:53,440
finding documents that like i don't

1579
01:12:56,630 --> 01:12:54,960
think anybody knows about this

1580
01:12:57,990 --> 01:12:56,640
asking a couple people they don't know

1581
01:13:00,149 --> 01:12:58,000
and then i kind of

1582
01:13:01,350 --> 01:13:00,159
post it like this is you know but

1583
01:13:03,830 --> 01:13:01,360
somebody does know about it

1584
01:13:04,390 --> 01:13:03,840
you know it's just not not spread out

1585
01:13:08,229 --> 01:13:04,400
and i

1586
01:13:11,430 --> 01:13:08,239
fast and hard

1587
01:13:13,350 --> 01:13:11,440
so i do find things out really quick but

1588
01:13:14,709 --> 01:13:13,360
it's hard to gain people's trust with

1589
01:13:17,110 --> 01:13:14,719
that because i'm new

1590
01:13:18,870 --> 01:13:17,120
you know that's that's hard man and

1591
01:13:19,830 --> 01:13:18,880
again that's the stumbling part i've

1592
01:13:22,950 --> 01:13:19,840
been there uh

1593
01:13:23,750 --> 01:13:22,960
a million times like for so many years i

1594
01:13:26,390 --> 01:13:23,760
was

1595
01:13:28,070 --> 01:13:26,400
a huge proponent of individuals that

1596
01:13:30,870 --> 01:13:28,080
have come forward with

1597
01:13:31,990 --> 01:13:30,880
either alien abduction accounts or um

1598
01:13:34,630 --> 01:13:32,000
you know close encounters

1599
01:13:35,189 --> 01:13:34,640
and then come to find out they were less

1600
01:13:37,510 --> 01:13:35,199
than

1601
01:13:38,790 --> 01:13:37,520
honest about involvement in certain

1602
01:13:41,030 --> 01:13:38,800
things and that's

1603
01:13:42,390 --> 01:13:41,040
that's just the way it is like we've all

1604
01:13:43,350 --> 01:13:42,400
made mistakes and we're all going to

1605
01:13:45,270 --> 01:13:43,360
continue

1606
01:13:46,550 --> 01:13:45,280
to make mistakes i'm wrong all the time

1607
01:13:49,750 --> 01:13:46,560
in this field man and

1608
01:13:51,110 --> 01:13:49,760
like that's okay i think that is a

1609
01:13:53,270 --> 01:13:51,120
prerequisite

1610
01:13:55,030 --> 01:13:53,280
it is you're gonna be wrong because none

1611
01:13:55,990 --> 01:13:55,040
of us know what the hell is actually

1612
01:13:58,470 --> 01:13:56,000
going on

1613
01:13:59,590 --> 01:13:58,480
i don't care who you are how long you've

1614
01:14:02,790 --> 01:13:59,600
been in this field

1615
01:14:06,149 --> 01:14:02,800
if you work for the dod if you didn't

1616
01:14:08,870 --> 01:14:06,159
like you do not know the answer

1617
01:14:11,030 --> 01:14:08,880
to this question of what are ufos

1618
01:14:14,149 --> 01:14:11,040
because there's probably

1619
01:14:15,910 --> 01:14:14,159
a million answers to every single

1620
01:14:17,910 --> 01:14:15,920
sighting that has happened every close

1621
01:14:19,350 --> 01:14:17,920
encounter experience and uh

1622
01:14:21,030 --> 01:14:19,360
i've kind of accepted that that i'm

1623
01:14:22,870 --> 01:14:21,040
never gonna find the answers

1624
01:14:24,070 --> 01:14:22,880
and i'm totally okay with that i might

1625
01:14:25,590 --> 01:14:24,080
find a couple

1626
01:14:27,669 --> 01:14:25,600
along the way but what did they say

1627
01:14:30,149 --> 01:14:27,679
prepare for the worst

1628
01:14:31,430 --> 01:14:30,159
plan for the worst or expect the worst

1629
01:14:33,830 --> 01:14:31,440
plane i don't know

1630
01:14:35,510 --> 01:14:33,840
yeah how does it go both on the same

1631
01:14:36,630 --> 01:14:35,520
wave like we just don't know the actual

1632
01:14:39,270 --> 01:14:36,640
quote but

1633
01:14:40,870 --> 01:14:39,280
it's so true it's so true like we're

1634
01:14:42,070 --> 01:14:40,880
even if we find those answers i don't

1635
01:14:43,910 --> 01:14:42,080
think they're going to be

1636
01:14:45,110 --> 01:14:43,920
even close to what any of us ever

1637
01:14:48,310 --> 01:14:45,120
expected so

1638
01:14:49,990 --> 01:14:48,320
right i love the journey you think we'll

1639
01:14:52,870 --> 01:14:50,000
have the same kind of feeling

1640
01:14:53,910 --> 01:14:52,880
as the report even if we do get true

1641
01:14:56,070 --> 01:14:53,920
answers

1642
01:14:58,310 --> 01:14:56,080
and there isn't some big like all of a

1643
01:15:01,590 --> 01:14:58,320
sudden they're all over the place

1644
01:15:03,110 --> 01:15:01,600
you know will we be left with that same

1645
01:15:06,550 --> 01:15:03,120
feeling of huh

1646
01:15:07,430 --> 01:15:06,560
that wasn't that great that's very

1647
01:15:10,550 --> 01:15:07,440
possible i

1648
01:15:11,910 --> 01:15:10,560
again you know maybe we don't we

1649
01:15:14,630 --> 01:15:11,920
shouldn't know the answers

1650
01:15:16,149 --> 01:15:14,640
or maybe uh you know it's not meant

1651
01:15:18,470 --> 01:15:16,159
maybe it's not written in the stars that

1652
01:15:20,310 --> 01:15:18,480
we ever truly know what ufos represent

1653
01:15:22,790 --> 01:15:20,320
maybe this conversation is supposed to

1654
01:15:26,149 --> 01:15:22,800
continue on and on until

1655
01:15:28,310 --> 01:15:26,159
you know inevitably the entire universe

1656
01:15:29,270 --> 01:15:28,320
collapses within itself and we never

1657
01:15:31,350 --> 01:15:29,280
find the answer

1658
01:15:32,390 --> 01:15:31,360
who knows but and someone's laughing at

1659
01:15:36,310 --> 01:15:32,400
you while it happens

1660
01:15:37,830 --> 01:15:36,320
yeah exactly but again like

1661
01:15:39,590 --> 01:15:37,840
it's the people i meet along the way

1662
01:15:40,630 --> 01:15:39,600
like you who make this all worth it i

1663
01:15:42,630 --> 01:15:40,640
don't give a [\h__\h]

1664
01:15:43,910 --> 01:15:42,640
if i ever know what excuse me part of my

1665
01:15:46,310 --> 01:15:43,920
language is

1666
01:15:47,350 --> 01:15:46,320
interesting you know what ufos truly

1667
01:15:49,750 --> 01:15:47,360
represent because

1668
01:15:52,070 --> 01:15:49,760
uh i don't think if we ever did find

1669
01:15:55,910 --> 01:15:52,080
those answers that uh they would even

1670
01:15:57,990 --> 01:15:55,920
satisfy the entire planet you know

1671
01:15:59,590 --> 01:15:58,000
yeah that's a good point yeah i'm

1672
01:16:03,990 --> 01:15:59,600
blabbing

1673
01:16:11,430 --> 01:16:07,270
oh no i forgot my question

1674
01:16:15,350 --> 01:16:11,440
oh do you do you think there's multiple

1675
01:16:17,830 --> 01:16:15,360
i i mean i know there's multiple uh uap

1676
01:16:18,870 --> 01:16:17,840
do you do you think they're from

1677
01:16:21,270 --> 01:16:18,880
different places

1678
01:16:23,030 --> 01:16:21,280
or do you think i know we're just

1679
01:16:26,310 --> 01:16:23,040
speculating but this is fun to me

1680
01:16:30,070 --> 01:16:26,320
or do you think that this thing

1681
01:16:33,590 --> 01:16:30,080
has the ability to change into different

1682
01:16:37,750 --> 01:16:33,600
things you know like so is it tic tac

1683
01:16:39,830 --> 01:16:37,760
in uh orb different or is it the same

1684
01:16:41,910 --> 01:16:39,840
and it just looks different for what

1685
01:16:45,350 --> 01:16:41,920
it's doing

1686
01:16:48,310 --> 01:16:45,360
i love that question um i i don't expect

1687
01:16:51,350 --> 01:16:48,320
you to know but yeah we're speculating

1688
01:16:54,470 --> 01:16:51,360
that's what the show is for um i

1689
01:16:56,870 --> 01:16:54,480
think that the phenomena is the most

1690
01:16:58,470 --> 01:16:56,880
amorphous thing you can possibly think

1691
01:17:02,470 --> 01:16:58,480
of the way i look at it is

1692
01:17:05,750 --> 01:17:02,480
it is it is just there

1693
01:17:08,709 --> 01:17:05,760
it's existing somehow some way and

1694
01:17:10,709 --> 01:17:08,719
it will it will appear to you in

1695
01:17:11,830 --> 01:17:10,719
whichever lens you choose to look at it

1696
01:17:14,149 --> 01:17:11,840
through

1697
01:17:15,510 --> 01:17:14,159
and i always go back to like valet

1698
01:17:18,310 --> 01:17:15,520
talking about

1699
01:17:18,709 --> 01:17:18,320
things like the uh the fatima sighting

1700
01:17:20,630 --> 01:17:18,719
and

1701
01:17:21,830 --> 01:17:20,640
these kids who believe that they saw the

1702
01:17:25,030 --> 01:17:21,840
virgin mary and

1703
01:17:27,270 --> 01:17:25,040
right this was a miraculous yeah yeah

1704
01:17:28,870 --> 01:17:27,280
yeah yep yep and it was just an amazing

1705
01:17:31,189 --> 01:17:28,880
experience for them and

1706
01:17:32,709 --> 01:17:31,199
religious uh but then you look at what

1707
01:17:35,030 --> 01:17:32,719
all the other witnesses kind of

1708
01:17:37,350 --> 01:17:35,040
described having happened and it was a

1709
01:17:38,790 --> 01:17:37,360
elliptical shaped light in the sky

1710
01:17:41,910 --> 01:17:38,800
hovering above them

1711
01:17:45,750 --> 01:17:41,920
shimmering and uh to me man like boom

1712
01:17:47,510 --> 01:17:45,760
you find saucer again i really think it

1713
01:17:49,110 --> 01:17:47,520
is the lens in which you choose to look

1714
01:17:51,510 --> 01:17:49,120
at the phenomena through

1715
01:17:52,149 --> 01:17:51,520
i don't think it is as black and white

1716
01:17:54,630 --> 01:17:52,159
as we

1717
01:17:55,910 --> 01:17:54,640
we think it is of little men and fun

1718
01:17:58,149 --> 01:17:55,920
saucers or

1719
01:17:59,189 --> 01:17:58,159
or anything i think it is a phenomenon

1720
01:18:01,270 --> 01:17:59,199
that chooses

1721
01:18:03,910 --> 01:18:01,280
to show itself to you however the hell

1722
01:18:06,149 --> 01:18:03,920
it wants to or however you want to

1723
01:18:07,830 --> 01:18:06,159
perceive it i mean i've had witnesses

1724
01:18:09,590 --> 01:18:07,840
that i've personally interviewed who

1725
01:18:11,910 --> 01:18:09,600
looked at the same object

1726
01:18:13,270 --> 01:18:11,920
and described it completely different

1727
01:18:14,870 --> 01:18:13,280
one saw it as a black

1728
01:18:16,790 --> 01:18:14,880
triangle another saw it as a white

1729
01:18:17,990 --> 01:18:16,800
triangle but they were looking at the

1730
01:18:21,030 --> 01:18:18,000
same damn thing

1731
01:18:23,510 --> 01:18:21,040
one second white triangle yeah okay

1732
01:18:25,189 --> 01:18:23,520
yeah um this is a cup a mother and

1733
01:18:28,070 --> 01:18:25,199
daughter in michigan

1734
01:18:29,189 --> 01:18:28,080
and uh they had they were staring at the

1735
01:18:31,750 --> 01:18:29,199
same object

1736
01:18:32,390 --> 01:18:31,760
and had completely different perceptions

1737
01:18:34,950 --> 01:18:32,400
of it

1738
01:18:36,630 --> 01:18:34,960
white and black um silent and

1739
01:18:39,270 --> 01:18:36,640
deafeningly loud

1740
01:18:39,990 --> 01:18:39,280
so i i don't know what to make of that

1741
01:18:42,870 --> 01:18:40,000
except that

1742
01:18:44,630 --> 01:18:42,880
it's crazy it's all in the observer i i

1743
01:18:48,550 --> 01:18:44,640
think we have a lot more to do with this

1744
01:18:52,950 --> 01:18:50,709
that's big that gives me the chills

1745
01:18:55,590 --> 01:18:52,960
that's a great answer

1746
01:18:57,189 --> 01:18:55,600
again i'm probably wrong but hey it's

1747
01:19:00,950 --> 01:18:57,199
something to put on the table

1748
01:19:01,910 --> 01:19:00,960
it reminds me of um mcmillan said

1749
01:19:04,229 --> 01:19:01,920
something all

1750
01:19:05,750 --> 01:19:04,239
a while ago now but it was something

1751
01:19:09,030 --> 01:19:05,760
about a sighting of things

1752
01:19:09,910 --> 01:19:09,040
and the same thing two people saw a

1753
01:19:11,750 --> 01:19:09,920
different thing

1754
01:19:14,070 --> 01:19:11,760
one side as white the other side is

1755
01:19:18,310 --> 01:19:14,080
black that is the same witness

1756
01:19:18,950 --> 01:19:18,320
it is it is i remember tim talking about

1757
01:19:21,830 --> 01:19:18,960
that and i

1758
01:19:23,990 --> 01:19:21,840
immediately texted him i'm like hey was

1759
01:19:24,390 --> 01:19:24,000
that patty in michigan and she's okay

1760
01:19:27,590 --> 01:19:24,400
with

1761
01:19:30,149 --> 01:19:27,600
us using her name and he was like yeah

1762
01:19:30,790 --> 01:19:30,159
i'm like dude like i've spoken to her

1763
01:19:33,270 --> 01:19:30,800
too that

1764
01:19:35,430 --> 01:19:33,280
that story is crazy tim and i started

1765
01:19:37,030 --> 01:19:35,440
comparing notes and it was awesome

1766
01:19:38,470 --> 01:19:37,040
it was awesome and then i got to meet

1767
01:19:41,270 --> 01:19:38,480
crazy actually

1768
01:19:42,870 --> 01:19:41,280
um in person because i interviewed over

1769
01:19:44,790 --> 01:19:42,880
hundreds of witnesses when i first

1770
01:19:47,590 --> 01:19:44,800
started writing my books and whatnot

1771
01:19:49,110 --> 01:19:47,600
and um she was amazing man like when i

1772
01:19:50,709 --> 01:19:49,120
finally got to sit down

1773
01:19:52,630 --> 01:19:50,719
and be like face to face with one of

1774
01:19:53,189 --> 01:19:52,640
these witnesses there's nothing like

1775
01:19:55,430 --> 01:19:53,199
that

1776
01:19:57,030 --> 01:19:55,440
to hear the story to look at them in the

1777
01:19:57,750 --> 01:19:57,040
eyes and say i would like to do more of

1778
01:20:00,470 --> 01:19:57,760
that

1779
01:20:01,110 --> 01:20:00,480
yeah hey who's to say you can't for sure

1780
01:20:03,590 --> 01:20:01,120
you know

1781
01:20:06,070 --> 01:20:03,600
get out there start meeting people once

1782
01:20:08,070 --> 01:20:06,080
things get back to normal and uh

1783
01:20:09,830 --> 01:20:08,080
you'll be surprised how much different

1784
01:20:11,669 --> 01:20:09,840
it can be than just getting a random

1785
01:20:12,390 --> 01:20:11,679
email from somebody you know it's weird

1786
01:20:14,870 --> 01:20:12,400
i went to

1787
01:20:16,149 --> 01:20:14,880
the antique store today it's like a

1788
01:20:19,430 --> 01:20:16,159
five-star antique store

1789
01:20:23,430 --> 01:20:19,440
and i got a bunch of like ufo books ooh

1790
01:20:26,709 --> 01:20:23,440
what'd you get um i got a bunch of stuff

1791
01:20:28,629 --> 01:20:26,719
interdimensional universe nice but this

1792
01:20:31,830 --> 01:20:28,639
lady apparently or this guy

1793
01:20:32,629 --> 01:20:31,840
is big into this stuff and i would have

1794
01:20:34,310 --> 01:20:32,639
never known that

1795
01:20:35,990 --> 01:20:34,320
in the coronavirus age because i

1796
01:20:39,669 --> 01:20:36,000
wouldn't have went there right

1797
01:20:42,870 --> 01:20:39,679
exactly this was written by root belt

1798
01:20:45,590 --> 01:20:42,880
1956 i think it's the blue book report

1799
01:20:46,070 --> 01:20:45,600
blue book winding wow that's okay that's

1800
01:20:47,750 --> 01:20:46,080
cool i

1801
01:20:49,110 --> 01:20:47,760
love that dude i love going to use

1802
01:20:52,629 --> 01:20:49,120
bookshops and just

1803
01:20:55,669 --> 01:20:52,639
trying to dig ooh the novelization

1804
01:20:57,990 --> 01:20:55,679
i have that here somewhere um but yeah i

1805
01:21:01,189 --> 01:20:58,000
was um i was very fortunate i

1806
01:21:04,390 --> 01:21:01,199
inherited i guess i could say um

1807
01:21:05,750 --> 01:21:04,400
an amazing used book collection of ufo

1808
01:21:07,669 --> 01:21:05,760
books from a uh

1809
01:21:08,870 --> 01:21:07,679
a witness that i actually interviewed

1810
01:21:11,830 --> 01:21:08,880
about a

1811
01:21:13,110 --> 01:21:11,840
very dramatic ufo sighting he had in uh

1812
01:21:14,709 --> 01:21:13,120
ohio i think it was

1813
01:21:16,229 --> 01:21:14,719
but he told me he's like you know i'm

1814
01:21:17,590 --> 01:21:16,239
getting up there in age

1815
01:21:19,270 --> 01:21:17,600
my kids i know they're just going to

1816
01:21:19,990 --> 01:21:19,280
sell these books off when i kick the

1817
01:21:21,590 --> 01:21:20,000
bucket

1818
01:21:23,270 --> 01:21:21,600
so i want someone to have them who i

1819
01:21:25,270 --> 01:21:23,280
know will appreciate them

1820
01:21:27,590 --> 01:21:25,280
and i was so touched man like i

1821
01:21:27,990 --> 01:21:27,600
literally started crying when he when he

1822
01:21:31,189 --> 01:21:28,000
told me

1823
01:21:34,390 --> 01:21:31,199
this and lo and behold he sent me like

1824
01:21:36,310 --> 01:21:34,400
this huge crate of books and it was like

1825
01:21:37,750 --> 01:21:36,320
christmas for me it was amazing i can't

1826
01:21:39,510 --> 01:21:37,760
even fit them in my tiny new york

1827
01:21:42,070 --> 01:21:39,520
apartment i had to bring them home to my

1828
01:21:42,950 --> 01:21:42,080
my parents house and shove them in the

1829
01:21:45,189 --> 01:21:42,960
attic for now

1830
01:21:46,470 --> 01:21:45,199
you know smallest is here come out

1831
01:21:48,229 --> 01:21:46,480
exactly

1832
01:21:50,629 --> 01:21:48,239
so you're paying three grand for it give

1833
01:21:52,709 --> 01:21:50,639
me a break

1834
01:21:54,229 --> 01:21:52,719
we do have one comment here only the

1835
01:21:55,350 --> 01:21:54,239
vatican called it mary not the kids

1836
01:21:58,390 --> 01:21:55,360
that's a good point

1837
01:22:01,189 --> 01:21:58,400
uh the fatima thing because it is

1838
01:22:02,149 --> 01:22:01,199
definitely well it seems like the

1839
01:22:05,350 --> 01:22:02,159
catholic church

1840
01:22:05,990 --> 01:22:05,360
just took that and made it to be about

1841
01:22:08,709 --> 01:22:06,000
them

1842
01:22:10,229 --> 01:22:08,719
you know that is such a good point again

1843
01:22:11,030 --> 01:22:10,239
i think that's what happens with these

1844
01:22:12,790 --> 01:22:11,040
things like

1845
01:22:14,470 --> 01:22:12,800
yeah as soon as someone else gets their

1846
01:22:17,110 --> 01:22:14,480
claws on it it becomes

1847
01:22:17,830 --> 01:22:17,120
their thing and uh their interpretation

1848
01:22:19,590 --> 01:22:17,840
so

1849
01:22:20,950 --> 01:22:19,600
yeah that's why i always tell people

1850
01:22:23,990 --> 01:22:20,960
yeah just

1851
01:22:25,830 --> 01:22:24,000
i tell people uh think for yourself

1852
01:22:27,590 --> 01:22:25,840
don't let anyone give you the answers to

1853
01:22:30,070 --> 01:22:27,600
what you experience because

1854
01:22:31,510 --> 01:22:30,080
deep down inside of you i think is where

1855
01:22:33,110 --> 01:22:31,520
the answers truly lie

1856
01:22:36,070 --> 01:22:33,120
and don't pay someone to give you the

1857
01:22:36,870 --> 01:22:36,080
answers to all of the mysteries out

1858
01:22:39,669 --> 01:22:36,880
there because

1859
01:22:40,709 --> 01:22:39,679
it ain't worth it i've done it and it

1860
01:22:43,510 --> 01:22:40,719
ain't worth it

1861
01:22:44,950 --> 01:22:43,520
money buys you everything even the

1862
01:22:48,709 --> 01:22:44,960
afterlife if you have enough

1863
01:22:51,510 --> 01:22:48,719
money you don't have to be in purgatory

1864
01:22:51,990 --> 01:22:51,520
buy your your fast pass into heaven

1865
01:22:55,350 --> 01:22:52,000
disney

1866
01:22:58,629 --> 01:22:55,360
style um so let me ask you this you've

1867
01:23:02,070 --> 01:22:58,639
been doing this since you were 13.

1868
01:23:02,709 --> 01:23:02,080
has your interest changed like your

1869
01:23:05,270 --> 01:23:02,719
interest

1870
01:23:05,990 --> 01:23:05,280
in this then is it different now like

1871
01:23:07,830 --> 01:23:06,000
were you more

1872
01:23:09,350 --> 01:23:07,840
into the alien stuff then but now you're

1873
01:23:10,629 --> 01:23:09,360
more into something else or

1874
01:23:13,430 --> 01:23:10,639
you know because there's a lot of

1875
01:23:16,629 --> 01:23:13,440
different categories and almost topics

1876
01:23:17,430 --> 01:23:16,639
that you can specialize in or focus your

1877
01:23:20,550 --> 01:23:17,440
efforts on

1878
01:23:21,270 --> 01:23:20,560
yeah so is is well i guess a better way

1879
01:23:23,510 --> 01:23:21,280
of asking

1880
01:23:25,430 --> 01:23:23,520
is is your inspiration change from then

1881
01:23:29,669 --> 01:23:25,440
to now

1882
01:23:30,629 --> 01:23:29,679
yeah i mean i i can honestly say that i

1883
01:23:35,110 --> 01:23:30,639
have become

1884
01:23:37,430 --> 01:23:35,120
much more uh i guess objective in my

1885
01:23:39,189 --> 01:23:37,440
approach to these things and that's okay

1886
01:23:42,390 --> 01:23:39,199
um i guess skeptical would be the right

1887
01:23:43,750 --> 01:23:42,400
word uh you know when i was 13 and every

1888
01:23:46,629 --> 01:23:43,760
book in the library was

1889
01:23:48,310 --> 01:23:46,639
truth to me you know crash the corona

1890
01:23:52,070 --> 01:23:48,320
was a spaceship that crashed

1891
01:23:54,950 --> 01:23:52,080
roswell uh loch ness monster was a true

1892
01:23:56,229 --> 01:23:54,960
okay let's do bigquery you know no

1893
01:23:59,350 --> 01:23:56,239
that's a great question

1894
01:24:01,510 --> 01:23:59,360
but i think as time went on and i

1895
01:24:02,790 --> 01:24:01,520
started to really look into it um that's

1896
01:24:05,510 --> 01:24:02,800
when you really start to

1897
01:24:06,390 --> 01:24:05,520
uh put stuff to the side and focus on

1898
01:24:08,790 --> 01:24:06,400
this and that

1899
01:24:10,709 --> 01:24:08,800
and um yeah my thoughts and feelings

1900
01:24:12,629 --> 01:24:10,719
changed constantly i think for a really

1901
01:24:16,310 --> 01:24:12,639
long time i was really into the

1902
01:24:20,229 --> 01:24:16,320
abduction thing alien abduction um

1903
01:24:22,149 --> 01:24:20,239
until i really started digging and uh

1904
01:24:23,750 --> 01:24:22,159
i can't i don't want to say that i don't

1905
01:24:25,350 --> 01:24:23,760
believe in it by any stretch of the

1906
01:24:25,910 --> 01:24:25,360
imagination i've interviewed hundreds of

1907
01:24:28,149 --> 01:24:25,920
people

1908
01:24:29,110 --> 01:24:28,159
who have claimed it uh but i think it's

1909
01:24:32,550 --> 01:24:29,120
far

1910
01:24:33,430 --> 01:24:32,560
stranger than just aliens kidnapping

1911
01:24:36,390 --> 01:24:33,440
people

1912
01:24:37,430 --> 01:24:36,400
uh i think that is somehow sometimes how

1913
01:24:39,110 --> 01:24:37,440
people

1914
01:24:41,189 --> 01:24:39,120
perceive david and we're talking about

1915
01:24:41,590 --> 01:24:41,199
that again yeah yeah so it all goes

1916
01:24:43,750 --> 01:24:41,600
again

1917
01:24:45,750 --> 01:24:43,760
back to the individual for me and that's

1918
01:24:47,750 --> 01:24:45,760
why i focus on the people because

1919
01:24:49,510 --> 01:24:47,760
i want to hear them tell me what

1920
01:24:50,350 --> 01:24:49,520
happened to them not what i think not

1921
01:24:52,550 --> 01:24:50,360
what some

1922
01:24:54,470 --> 01:24:52,560
hypnotherapist thinks or not even what a

1923
01:24:57,590 --> 01:24:54,480
ufo researcher thinks like

1924
01:24:59,510 --> 01:24:57,600
i want the most raw emotional uh

1925
01:25:02,070 --> 01:24:59,520
interpretation of what happened to you

1926
01:25:02,950 --> 01:25:02,080
from you the only person who was there

1927
01:25:05,510 --> 01:25:02,960
at the time

1928
01:25:06,870 --> 01:25:05,520
and experienced it that's great i think

1929
01:25:08,790 --> 01:25:06,880
maybe that's why i like you so much

1930
01:25:10,470 --> 01:25:08,800
because i try to do

1931
01:25:12,070 --> 01:25:10,480
the same thing maybe not in the

1932
01:25:14,709 --> 01:25:12,080
abduction sense but just make

1933
01:25:16,550 --> 01:25:14,719
what i'm doing you know more of a

1934
01:25:19,189 --> 01:25:16,560
personal thing than a

1935
01:25:19,990 --> 01:25:19,199
than a you know what's the latest crash

1936
01:25:23,189 --> 01:25:20,000
retrieval

1937
01:25:25,750 --> 01:25:23,199
you know because the people

1938
01:25:27,430 --> 01:25:25,760
in the community matter and if we can

1939
01:25:28,310 --> 01:25:27,440
learn each other more and talk to each

1940
01:25:30,390 --> 01:25:28,320
other more

1941
01:25:32,550 --> 01:25:30,400
i think we're more apt to work together

1942
01:25:33,510 --> 01:25:32,560
you know absolutely man and the big

1943
01:25:35,669 --> 01:25:33,520
thing right now is

1944
01:25:36,950 --> 01:25:35,679
obviously the government and the

1945
01:25:39,990 --> 01:25:36,960
military and

1946
01:25:42,070 --> 01:25:40,000
military ufo encounters and look that's

1947
01:25:42,870 --> 01:25:42,080
the way you get this topic to become

1948
01:25:45,350 --> 01:25:42,880
credible

1949
01:25:47,270 --> 01:25:45,360
when you have trained observers uh

1950
01:25:48,470 --> 01:25:47,280
describing these things which is awesome

1951
01:25:51,510 --> 01:25:48,480
i think that's great

1952
01:25:51,990 --> 01:25:51,520
but i i'm like you i try to remind

1953
01:25:54,229 --> 01:25:52,000
people

1954
01:25:56,470 --> 01:25:54,239
for every military witness or encounter

1955
01:25:58,390 --> 01:25:56,480
there's a hundred people outside of that

1956
01:25:59,990 --> 01:25:58,400
that have had experiences so talk to one

1957
01:26:02,310 --> 01:26:00,000
another don't just

1958
01:26:03,270 --> 01:26:02,320
keep going back to the tic tac and and

1959
01:26:05,189 --> 01:26:03,280
the gimbal like

1960
01:26:07,510 --> 01:26:05,199
again right we will be talking about

1961
01:26:09,430 --> 01:26:07,520
those they're not going anywhere

1962
01:26:10,629 --> 01:26:09,440
yeah exactly i'm on the shelf and see

1963
01:26:14,149 --> 01:26:10,639
what else is out there

1964
01:26:16,390 --> 01:26:14,159
and i think you'll be surprised yeah so

1965
01:26:17,510 --> 01:26:16,400
this kind of brings it back full circle

1966
01:26:18,310 --> 01:26:17,520
you know when you're done with the big

1967
01:26:19,750 --> 01:26:18,320
project

1968
01:26:22,149 --> 01:26:19,760
we were talking about you feel kind of

1969
01:26:23,030 --> 01:26:22,159
in a bummer state and what usually gets

1970
01:26:27,350 --> 01:26:23,040
you out of it it's

1971
01:26:29,189 --> 01:26:27,360
inspiration to start something new right

1972
01:26:30,950 --> 01:26:29,199
that could be there's something new that

1973
01:26:34,709 --> 01:26:30,960
we should do

1974
01:26:37,750 --> 01:26:34,719
yeah totally i again that's why i

1975
01:26:40,070 --> 01:26:37,760
keep going keep going yes thank you

1976
01:26:42,310 --> 01:26:40,080
because i needed to hear that and again

1977
01:26:42,950 --> 01:26:42,320
it was vinnie it was you who kind of got

1978
01:26:44,790 --> 01:26:42,960
me like

1979
01:26:46,390 --> 01:26:44,800
when you asked me to come on i know it

1980
01:26:47,430 --> 01:26:46,400
took us a while to finally make it

1981
01:26:49,350 --> 01:26:47,440
happen but yeah

1982
01:26:50,950 --> 01:26:49,360
i was like this is what i like doing

1983
01:26:53,270 --> 01:26:50,960
just talking me too and like

1984
01:26:55,189 --> 01:26:53,280
theorizing and trying to find

1985
01:26:57,350 --> 01:26:55,199
connections with other people

1986
01:26:59,030 --> 01:26:57,360
uh with this topic because again i can't

1987
01:27:01,270 --> 01:26:59,040
just go to like

1988
01:27:02,629 --> 01:27:01,280
you know the coffee shop and have these

1989
01:27:05,669 --> 01:27:02,639
profound

1990
01:27:08,149 --> 01:27:05,679
uh yeah

1991
01:27:09,990 --> 01:27:08,159
like that's just not a thing um so

1992
01:27:11,830 --> 01:27:10,000
that's why i love doing stuff like this

1993
01:27:13,430 --> 01:27:11,840
and i think you're right the more we

1994
01:27:15,910 --> 01:27:13,440
talk the more we share

1995
01:27:17,990 --> 01:27:15,920
the more this topic becomes normal and

1996
01:27:20,470 --> 01:27:18,000
the more data we finally have to

1997
01:27:22,629 --> 01:27:20,480
look at um you know the government's

1998
01:27:24,790 --> 01:27:22,639
looking at military ufo encounters great

1999
01:27:26,390 --> 01:27:24,800
but what again what about all these

2000
01:27:27,830 --> 01:27:26,400
other sightings throughout the world

2001
01:27:29,669 --> 01:27:27,840
from individuals who aren't in the

2002
01:27:32,149 --> 01:27:29,679
military who aren't in government

2003
01:27:33,350 --> 01:27:32,159
like that needs to be a part of the data

2004
01:27:36,629 --> 01:27:33,360
that they're collecting

2005
01:27:39,830 --> 01:27:36,639
or else what's the point i agree

2006
01:27:41,750 --> 01:27:39,840
and you know the reason

2007
01:27:43,750 --> 01:27:41,760
you know sometimes i think maybe it's

2008
01:27:46,310 --> 01:27:43,760
not necessarily that it's more credible

2009
01:27:47,350 --> 01:27:46,320
but whoever is designing you know the

2010
01:27:50,709 --> 01:27:47,360
stuff that we see

2011
01:27:51,750 --> 01:27:50,719
that gets pushed is lazy because there's

2012
01:27:54,629 --> 01:27:51,760
so many

2013
01:27:55,510 --> 01:27:54,639
more people in the other side outside of

2014
01:27:57,110 --> 01:27:55,520
military

2015
01:27:58,550 --> 01:27:57,120
and there's a lot more bull crap that

2016
01:28:00,950 --> 01:27:58,560
you have to sift through

2017
01:28:02,950 --> 01:28:00,960
you know to find the real good stories

2018
01:28:06,950 --> 01:28:02,960
and they don't want to deal with that

2019
01:28:10,629 --> 01:28:06,960
yeah well yeah and the other thing too

2020
01:28:13,990 --> 01:28:10,639
i think sean is that um

2021
01:28:15,510 --> 01:28:14,000
ufo incidents are so fleeting like what

2022
01:28:18,950 --> 01:28:15,520
is there to truly study

2023
01:28:19,830 --> 01:28:18,960
unless you have right downed wreckage or

2024
01:28:22,870 --> 01:28:19,840
you have

2025
01:28:25,270 --> 01:28:22,880
um some sort of trace evidence uh

2026
01:28:26,550 --> 01:28:25,280
that's why scientists are so afraid to

2027
01:28:28,950 --> 01:28:26,560
get involved with this

2028
01:28:29,590 --> 01:28:28,960
hey obviously this stigma and ridicule

2029
01:28:31,910 --> 01:28:29,600
but also

2030
01:28:33,510 --> 01:28:31,920
what is there to really study when these

2031
01:28:34,550 --> 01:28:33,520
things happen in the blink of an eye and

2032
01:28:36,629 --> 01:28:34,560
then they're gone

2033
01:28:37,910 --> 01:28:36,639
repeatability is like the key to the

2034
01:28:39,669 --> 01:28:37,920
scientific method

2035
01:28:42,070 --> 01:28:39,679
but it's the last thing we have when it

2036
01:28:44,870 --> 01:28:42,080
comes to these ufo um

2037
01:28:45,270 --> 01:28:44,880
sightings and accounts so uh it's tough

2038
01:28:47,510 --> 01:28:45,280
man

2039
01:28:48,550 --> 01:28:47,520
it's it's a tough it's tough water to

2040
01:28:51,270 --> 01:28:48,560
wade through

2041
01:28:53,110 --> 01:28:51,280
yeah it really is and it feels so

2042
01:28:54,149 --> 01:28:53,120
overwhelming doesn't it like he can't do

2043
01:28:56,950 --> 01:28:54,159
anything sometimes

2044
01:28:57,430 --> 01:28:56,960
but yeah we can't stand that tip because

2045
01:28:58,950 --> 01:28:57,440
we are

2046
01:29:01,110 --> 01:28:58,960
because we're doing things that we don't

2047
01:29:03,270 --> 01:29:01,120
even notice that really help

2048
01:29:05,750 --> 01:29:03,280
you know those things cause ricochet

2049
01:29:06,629 --> 01:29:05,760
effects and it could inspire somebody

2050
01:29:08,629 --> 01:29:06,639
else

2051
01:29:10,470 --> 01:29:08,639
five people separated that does

2052
01:29:11,430 --> 01:29:10,480
something really special you know or

2053
01:29:14,390 --> 01:29:11,440
whatever

2054
01:29:15,590 --> 01:29:14,400
yeah i remember um i'll tell you just a

2055
01:29:18,790 --> 01:29:15,600
quick story that guy

2056
01:29:21,830 --> 01:29:18,800
in ohio who sent me all the books he

2057
01:29:23,750 --> 01:29:21,840
had a mass ufo sighting um quote-unquote

2058
01:29:25,270 --> 01:29:23,760
mass ufo setting he was the only one who

2059
01:29:26,790 --> 01:29:25,280
remembered it happening

2060
01:29:29,189 --> 01:29:26,800
and he claimed that there were hundreds

2061
01:29:31,910 --> 01:29:29,199
of people there when this event

2062
01:29:32,550 --> 01:29:31,920
occurred at a drive-in movie theater um

2063
01:29:36,070 --> 01:29:32,560
so

2064
01:29:37,990 --> 01:29:36,080
he sees this thing and it happens

2065
01:29:39,590 --> 01:29:38,000
and then he didn't actually remember the

2066
01:29:41,510 --> 01:29:39,600
event until years later

2067
01:29:43,350 --> 01:29:41,520
when he had like a trigger memory he saw

2068
01:29:43,910 --> 01:29:43,360
like i think it was that rupell book

2069
01:29:45,990 --> 01:29:43,920
that you

2070
01:29:47,830 --> 01:29:46,000
you actually just got one of the covers

2071
01:29:50,310 --> 01:29:47,840
had like a ufo on it

2072
01:29:52,310 --> 01:29:50,320
and uh it just triggered his mind and

2073
01:29:54,790 --> 01:29:52,320
this whole event came back to him

2074
01:29:55,669 --> 01:29:54,800
and you know when i heard that i'm like

2075
01:29:57,910 --> 01:29:55,679
really dude

2076
01:29:59,830 --> 01:29:57,920
like hundreds of people were there and

2077
01:30:00,229 --> 01:29:59,840
nobody else is talking about it and i

2078
01:30:02,790 --> 01:30:00,239
dug

2079
01:30:03,350 --> 01:30:02,800
man like i i went into all the local

2080
01:30:05,910 --> 01:30:03,360
news

2081
01:30:07,430 --> 01:30:05,920
like archives at the time of where this

2082
01:30:10,070 --> 01:30:07,440
happened when it happened

2083
01:30:11,910 --> 01:30:10,080
no stories about it um it happened at a

2084
01:30:12,870 --> 01:30:11,920
drive-in movie theater i tried my best

2085
01:30:14,950 --> 01:30:12,880
to like

2086
01:30:17,030 --> 01:30:14,960
um reach out to anyone who worked at

2087
01:30:18,229 --> 01:30:17,040
that drive-in theater like i did some

2088
01:30:20,950 --> 01:30:18,239
crazy research

2089
01:30:21,590 --> 01:30:20,960
that is deep i couldn't find anybody and

2090
01:30:25,350 --> 01:30:21,600
then

2091
01:30:28,790 --> 01:30:25,360
i put a story in my book and between my

2092
01:30:30,629 --> 01:30:28,800
2016 book and my 2020 book

2093
01:30:33,110 --> 01:30:30,639
um which was a second edition of the

2094
01:30:34,950 --> 01:30:33,120
first book oh okay this guy's story was

2095
01:30:37,430 --> 01:30:34,960
in the 2016 version

2096
01:30:39,189 --> 01:30:37,440
between that time someone reached out to

2097
01:30:40,390 --> 01:30:39,199
me and said that they had seen the same

2098
01:30:43,430 --> 01:30:40,400
thing as him

2099
01:30:43,750 --> 01:30:43,440
same time only one town over so it was

2100
01:30:46,310 --> 01:30:43,760
like

2101
01:30:48,149 --> 01:30:46,320
wow you're right these things have an

2102
01:30:50,629 --> 01:30:48,159
effect that we don't truly realize

2103
01:30:53,110 --> 01:30:50,639
the power of it until after and that

2104
01:30:55,430 --> 01:30:53,120
person randomly like read my book

2105
01:30:57,030 --> 01:30:55,440
heard the story and now i'm able to put

2106
01:30:58,709 --> 01:30:57,040
these witnesses in touch with one

2107
01:30:59,350 --> 01:30:58,719
another to compare their stories and be

2108
01:31:02,149 --> 01:30:59,360
like

2109
01:31:04,070 --> 01:31:02,159
wow they might have seen the same exact

2110
01:31:07,350 --> 01:31:04,080
thing so that's what's so beautiful

2111
01:31:10,870 --> 01:31:07,360
you're right well hey awesome that

2112
01:31:12,950 --> 01:31:10,880
synchronicity but that's your hard work

2113
01:31:14,390 --> 01:31:12,960
like sometimes i feel like maybe you

2114
01:31:15,270 --> 01:31:14,400
feel like this you put in so much hard

2115
01:31:17,189 --> 01:31:15,280
work

2116
01:31:18,870 --> 01:31:17,199
and you don't see anything coming

2117
01:31:22,310 --> 01:31:18,880
together until something like that

2118
01:31:23,510 --> 01:31:22,320
happens and you're like oh you know and

2119
01:31:25,590 --> 01:31:23,520
it happens when you least

2120
01:31:26,870 --> 01:31:25,600
expect it yeah it's weird to get

2121
01:31:30,149 --> 01:31:26,880
rewarded that way

2122
01:31:30,790 --> 01:31:30,159
yeah this woman that um reached out to

2123
01:31:33,030 --> 01:31:30,800
me dude

2124
01:31:34,950 --> 01:31:33,040
her email went to my spam folder and

2125
01:31:35,750 --> 01:31:34,960
like how often do you just go to that

2126
01:31:40,629 --> 01:31:35,760
and

2127
01:31:43,030 --> 01:31:40,639
it just happened to be one day i was in

2128
01:31:44,470 --> 01:31:43,040
my spam folder there was maybe like only

2129
01:31:46,470 --> 01:31:44,480
six spam emails

2130
01:31:47,990 --> 01:31:46,480
so it wasn't like a huge barrage of them

2131
01:31:50,390 --> 01:31:48,000
where i would like mass delete

2132
01:31:52,950 --> 01:31:50,400
and i happen to see drive-in movie

2133
01:31:56,229 --> 01:31:52,960
theater ufo in the subject line

2134
01:31:59,669 --> 01:31:56,239
and i like my jaw dropped i'm like what

2135
01:32:01,669 --> 01:31:59,679
so i clicked on it and the minute this

2136
01:32:02,870 --> 01:32:01,679
woman started recalling what happened to

2137
01:32:05,830 --> 01:32:02,880
her i was like

2138
01:32:07,030 --> 01:32:05,840
holy [\h__\h] like this is what we dream of

2139
01:32:09,110 --> 01:32:07,040
in the ufo field

2140
01:32:11,350 --> 01:32:09,120
like other people coming forward to an

2141
01:32:13,590 --> 01:32:11,360
event that only one person remembered

2142
01:32:14,470 --> 01:32:13,600
and like the burden of proof is on his

2143
01:32:16,950 --> 01:32:14,480
shoulders

2144
01:32:18,790 --> 01:32:16,960
right right right um so man he told me

2145
01:32:19,990 --> 01:32:18,800
like you have no idea how much weight

2146
01:32:22,709 --> 01:32:20,000
that lifted off of me

2147
01:32:24,550 --> 01:32:22,719
like people don't think i'm lying now b

2148
01:32:27,910 --> 01:32:24,560
people don't think i'm crazy

2149
01:32:29,270 --> 01:32:27,920
and uh those are that's the reason i

2150
01:32:31,669 --> 01:32:29,280
like doing this stuff

2151
01:32:32,709 --> 01:32:31,679
like it's not it's not about being on

2152
01:32:35,110 --> 01:32:32,719
shows or

2153
01:32:35,830 --> 01:32:35,120
writing books it's like talking to other

2154
01:32:37,990 --> 01:32:35,840
people

2155
01:32:39,030 --> 01:32:38,000
and trying to help if i can in any small

2156
01:32:40,390 --> 01:32:39,040
way of like

2157
01:32:42,470 --> 01:32:40,400
getting their story out there because

2158
01:32:45,189 --> 01:32:42,480
nobody else will listen to him

2159
01:32:46,390 --> 01:32:45,199
yeah wow that is amazing that's an

2160
01:32:50,550 --> 01:32:46,400
amazing story

2161
01:32:54,310 --> 01:32:50,560
yeah shoot that's cool

2162
01:32:57,430 --> 01:32:54,320
when was it

2163
01:32:58,470 --> 01:32:57,440
when was the event yeah in ohio that was

2164
01:33:01,990 --> 01:32:58,480
in

2165
01:33:05,990 --> 01:33:02,000
70 oh gosh

2166
01:33:07,270 --> 01:33:06,000
uh 1974 this happened at the ascot movie

2167
01:33:10,470 --> 01:33:07,280
theater in

2168
01:33:11,110 --> 01:33:10,480
uh cuyahoga falls ohio if anyone wants

2169
01:33:13,350 --> 01:33:11,120
to go

2170
01:33:14,470 --> 01:33:13,360
look it up yeah let's try to find some

2171
01:33:17,350 --> 01:33:14,480
more witnesses

2172
01:33:18,790 --> 01:33:17,360
um yeah man it's a crazy story and i

2173
01:33:22,790 --> 01:33:18,800
have so many like that

2174
01:33:24,629 --> 01:33:22,800
was it a triangle it was a um

2175
01:33:25,910 --> 01:33:24,639
yes i i should say it was in the

2176
01:33:28,390 --> 01:33:25,920
triangle family

2177
01:33:30,070 --> 01:33:28,400
right we're gonna go with that it was um

2178
01:33:32,870 --> 01:33:30,080
what is that shape chevron

2179
01:33:33,189 --> 01:33:32,880
it was shaped like a chevron um sort of

2180
01:33:36,709 --> 01:33:33,199
thing

2181
01:33:37,669 --> 01:33:36,719
and it was slick black no appendages no

2182
01:33:40,709 --> 01:33:37,679
lights no

2183
01:33:42,790 --> 01:33:40,719
windows and it was just this huge

2184
01:33:44,070 --> 01:33:42,800
craft that floated over the parking lot

2185
01:33:46,310 --> 01:33:44,080
of the movie theater

2186
01:33:48,070 --> 01:33:46,320
um the drive-in movie theater and he

2187
01:33:50,390 --> 01:33:48,080
said from like tip to tip that covered

2188
01:33:52,310 --> 01:33:50,400
the entire parking lot and

2189
01:33:53,669 --> 01:33:52,320
i should mention too when the thing went

2190
01:33:55,990 --> 01:33:53,679
over the theater

2191
01:33:58,629 --> 01:33:56,000
the the like all the floodlights turned

2192
01:33:59,270 --> 01:33:58,639
off everyone's cars stopped nobody's

2193
01:34:02,709 --> 01:33:59,280
cars

2194
01:34:06,310 --> 01:34:05,110
right and no one was freaking out either

2195
01:34:09,030 --> 01:34:06,320
like scott said

2196
01:34:10,709 --> 01:34:09,040
like everyone was super calm and even

2197
01:34:11,830 --> 01:34:10,719
after the thing floated over them and

2198
01:34:14,310 --> 01:34:11,840
disappeared

2199
01:34:14,870 --> 01:34:14,320
and the lights came on and people's cars

2200
01:34:17,189 --> 01:34:14,880
started

2201
01:34:18,629 --> 01:34:17,199
nobody left nobody freaked out and they

2202
01:34:19,669 --> 01:34:18,639
were like oh god what just happened i

2203
01:34:21,270 --> 01:34:19,679
gotta get out of here

2204
01:34:23,830 --> 01:34:21,280
they all just sat there and watched the

2205
01:34:25,590 --> 01:34:23,840
damn movie so like

2206
01:34:28,229 --> 01:34:25,600
what is that that that's the kind of

2207
01:34:30,470 --> 01:34:28,239
stuff that that's some

2208
01:34:32,149 --> 01:34:30,480
it just adds so many layers to the high

2209
01:34:34,790 --> 01:34:32,159
strangeness of this stuff man

2210
01:34:37,270 --> 01:34:34,800
there it is high strangeness yeah yeah

2211
01:34:39,590 --> 01:34:37,280
the high strangest onion as they call it

2212
01:34:43,189 --> 01:34:39,600
it's gonna peel back those layers have

2213
01:34:46,950 --> 01:34:43,199
you experienced uh high strangeness

2214
01:34:50,149 --> 01:34:46,960
um or even medium strangers

2215
01:34:52,790 --> 01:34:50,159
medium strangeness i'd say i've had a

2216
01:34:54,070 --> 01:34:52,800
i had a very dramatic or i should say

2217
01:34:57,270 --> 01:34:54,080
traumatic ufo

2218
01:34:58,950 --> 01:34:57,280
sighting when i was a kid um but

2219
01:35:01,430 --> 01:34:58,960
other than that i had what i would

2220
01:35:03,430 --> 01:35:01,440
consider maybe a supernatural experience

2221
01:35:04,550 --> 01:35:03,440
uh not too long ago actually this is a

2222
01:35:07,109 --> 01:35:04,560
few years ago

2223
01:35:09,270 --> 01:35:07,119
um that i would deem in the sort of

2224
01:35:11,350 --> 01:35:09,280
supernatural paranormal realm

2225
01:35:13,669 --> 01:35:11,360
uh it was completely foreign to me

2226
01:35:15,030 --> 01:35:13,679
unlike anything i'd ever seen or felt or

2227
01:35:17,350 --> 01:35:15,040
experienced before

2228
01:35:18,950 --> 01:35:17,360
uh but yeah that would that's a spot as

2229
01:35:21,189 --> 01:35:18,960
far as i think i've gone

2230
01:35:23,910 --> 01:35:21,199
in terms of high strength would be well

2231
01:35:26,149 --> 01:35:23,920
i mean you got to tell the story now

2232
01:35:28,149 --> 01:35:26,159
i can do that but that's what i do man

2233
01:35:30,709 --> 01:35:28,159
i'm a playwright um so

2234
01:35:31,189 --> 01:35:30,719
we opened on a bare stage no i'm just

2235
01:35:33,590 --> 01:35:31,199
kidding

2236
01:35:35,750 --> 01:35:33,600
all right i'll get my keyboard start

2237
01:35:39,030 --> 01:35:35,760
doing some background music

2238
01:35:42,390 --> 01:35:39,040
oh so i was in nova scotia in um

2239
01:35:45,669 --> 01:35:42,400
in canada i was speaking at a conference

2240
01:35:47,109 --> 01:35:45,679
and um i that night before

2241
01:35:49,189 --> 01:35:47,119
like the actual conference started the

2242
01:35:50,470 --> 01:35:49,199
next morning a bunch of me and the other

2243
01:35:53,189 --> 01:35:50,480
speakers went to a

2244
01:35:54,709 --> 01:35:53,199
paranormal investigation um so you know

2245
01:35:57,270 --> 01:35:54,719
basically a ghost hunt

2246
01:35:59,750 --> 01:35:57,280
um and we were all very skeptical like

2247
01:36:00,950 --> 01:35:59,760
we were ufo guys we weren't ghost people

2248
01:36:03,910 --> 01:36:00,960
by anything is it that weird

2249
01:36:04,550 --> 01:36:03,920
yeah yeah yeah the same way yeah it i

2250
01:36:07,030 --> 01:36:04,560
was too

2251
01:36:07,990 --> 01:36:07,040
i was very skeptical of it so we go to

2252
01:36:10,629 --> 01:36:08,000
this uh

2253
01:36:11,590 --> 01:36:10,639
this museum the queens county museum in

2254
01:36:13,750 --> 01:36:11,600
um

2255
01:36:15,270 --> 01:36:13,760
in nova scotia and supposedly it was

2256
01:36:17,430 --> 01:36:15,280
haunted a lot of people have said that

2257
01:36:19,030 --> 01:36:17,440
they've seen things heard things

2258
01:36:21,510 --> 01:36:19,040
so we were like oh this would be cool so

2259
01:36:22,149 --> 01:36:21,520
we go in and like everyone's got their

2260
01:36:24,550 --> 01:36:22,159
evp

2261
01:36:25,669 --> 01:36:24,560
meters and you know their little gadgets

2262
01:36:28,709 --> 01:36:25,679
and everything and

2263
01:36:30,629 --> 01:36:28,719
it's looking like ghost adventures um

2264
01:36:33,430 --> 01:36:30,639
straight up like going into rooms right

2265
01:36:43,510 --> 01:36:33,440
like who's here tell us

2266
01:36:47,590 --> 01:36:45,350
wow this is i can't believe i'm at a

2267
01:36:49,830 --> 01:36:47,600
ghost hunt um

2268
01:36:51,830 --> 01:36:49,840
and just like looking at it from the

2269
01:36:52,870 --> 01:36:51,840
outside and just having a good time but

2270
01:36:56,629 --> 01:36:52,880
um

2271
01:36:58,550 --> 01:36:56,639
called the activity room

2272
01:37:00,070 --> 01:36:58,560
it's like where you drop your kids off

2273
01:37:01,830 --> 01:37:00,080
and they would play while the parents go

2274
01:37:03,830 --> 01:37:01,840
and look at the museum

2275
01:37:06,390 --> 01:37:03,840
and uh supposedly that room was haunted

2276
01:37:07,270 --> 01:37:06,400
and we brought a ghost box into this

2277
01:37:10,390 --> 01:37:07,280
room

2278
01:37:12,950 --> 01:37:10,400
um which is this device that like

2279
01:37:15,510 --> 01:37:12,960
brushes through radio frequencies every

2280
01:37:17,590 --> 01:37:15,520
like half second a new frequency

2281
01:37:19,510 --> 01:37:17,600
so you you don't really hear anything

2282
01:37:20,310 --> 01:37:19,520
solid ever because it's just going

2283
01:37:23,030 --> 01:37:20,320
through these things

2284
01:37:24,390 --> 01:37:23,040
crazy yeah it's very distracting and

2285
01:37:26,950 --> 01:37:24,400
annoying and jarring

2286
01:37:28,550 --> 01:37:26,960
and um you try to communicate with

2287
01:37:30,470 --> 01:37:28,560
spirits and if you can

2288
01:37:32,310 --> 01:37:30,480
maybe a word will come out at a

2289
01:37:33,669 --> 01:37:32,320
frequency and that's you communicating

2290
01:37:36,229 --> 01:37:33,679
with the spirit and i'm like

2291
01:37:38,149 --> 01:37:36,239
this is such bs like it's all about

2292
01:37:39,109 --> 01:37:38,159
interpretation and being influenced blah

2293
01:37:43,109 --> 01:37:39,119
blah blah blah blah

2294
01:37:46,390 --> 01:37:43,119
right exactly but then

2295
01:37:50,790 --> 01:37:46,400
we asked is anyone in here and we got

2296
01:37:53,990 --> 01:37:50,800
a yes and then we got um

2297
01:37:54,629 --> 01:37:54,000
who are we talking to or um what what do

2298
01:37:57,750 --> 01:37:54,639
you want

2299
01:38:01,270 --> 01:37:57,760
heard was a

2300
01:38:04,629 --> 01:38:01,280
child whimpering on this ghost box

2301
01:38:07,510 --> 01:38:04,639
consistently which is impossible

2302
01:38:08,550 --> 01:38:07,520
if this machine actually brushes through

2303
01:38:10,629 --> 01:38:08,560
frequencies that

2304
01:38:11,669 --> 01:38:10,639
right could not have heard anything you

2305
01:38:13,510 --> 01:38:11,679
know that

2306
01:38:16,550 --> 01:38:13,520
uh consistently you'd hear it for a

2307
01:38:17,669 --> 01:38:16,560
little bit and then it'd be

2308
01:38:19,830 --> 01:38:17,679
again when you get back to that

2309
01:38:21,910 --> 01:38:19,840
frequency or something exactly

2310
01:38:23,990 --> 01:38:21,920
as well so that's when i kind of like my

2311
01:38:27,510 --> 01:38:24,000
ears [\h__\h] up and i was like

2312
01:38:28,310 --> 01:38:27,520
huh so then the person in charge was

2313
01:38:31,189 --> 01:38:28,320
like

2314
01:38:32,950 --> 01:38:31,199
um it's a child they're scared they're

2315
01:38:35,270 --> 01:38:32,960
crying let's get to their level

2316
01:38:37,189 --> 01:38:35,280
like let's get down on the floor and uh

2317
01:38:38,470 --> 01:38:37,199
make them more comfortable so we did

2318
01:38:40,629 --> 01:38:38,480
you know so i'm sitting there

2319
01:38:42,149 --> 01:38:40,639
cross-legged [\h__\h] dark

2320
01:38:44,629 --> 01:38:42,159
like we're still trying to communicate

2321
01:38:47,669 --> 01:38:46,870
and i'm just like oh man and we sat

2322
01:38:50,550 --> 01:38:47,679
there for maybe

2323
01:38:51,990 --> 01:38:50,560
45 minutes with nothing happening and i

2324
01:38:52,709 --> 01:38:52,000
was just starting to like kind of fall

2325
01:38:56,390 --> 01:38:52,719
asleep

2326
01:38:58,550 --> 01:38:56,400
or whatnot but then dude um

2327
01:39:00,950 --> 01:38:58,560
that's when it happened that's when my

2328
01:39:02,390 --> 01:39:00,960
whatever supernatural high strangeness

2329
01:39:03,750 --> 01:39:02,400
really happened i was sitting there

2330
01:39:07,750 --> 01:39:03,760
cross-legged

2331
01:39:10,470 --> 01:39:07,760
and my knees my legs hit the floor

2332
01:39:11,750 --> 01:39:10,480
and it wasn't because i was tired it

2333
01:39:14,470 --> 01:39:11,760
wasn't anything like that i

2334
01:39:15,350 --> 01:39:14,480
literally felt like there was a weight

2335
01:39:17,830 --> 01:39:15,360
in my lap

2336
01:39:18,950 --> 01:39:17,840
at that moment and my knees dropped and

2337
01:39:21,270 --> 01:39:18,960
i was like what the heck

2338
01:39:23,030 --> 01:39:21,280
and then i'm not kidding you i felt like

2339
01:39:24,149 --> 01:39:23,040
when that weight was on my lap i felt

2340
01:39:26,870 --> 01:39:24,159
fingers

2341
01:39:28,390 --> 01:39:26,880
clasped behind my neck and like grab my

2342
01:39:30,310 --> 01:39:28,400
neck like they were hugging me

2343
01:39:32,390 --> 01:39:30,320
almost like a child was in my lap

2344
01:39:34,390 --> 01:39:32,400
hugging me like being like

2345
01:39:35,910 --> 01:39:34,400
it's okay i'm here you're here like

2346
01:39:37,350 --> 01:39:35,920
let's have a conversation

2347
01:39:39,430 --> 01:39:37,360
and um i wasn't ready to have a

2348
01:39:41,990 --> 01:39:39,440
conversation flipped out dude

2349
01:39:43,990 --> 01:39:42,000
i like i sprung back i hit my head on

2350
01:39:44,629 --> 01:39:44,000
the back of like a board that was behind

2351
01:39:46,390 --> 01:39:44,639
me

2352
01:39:49,189 --> 01:39:46,400
and then i felt the weight lift up and

2353
01:39:52,470 --> 01:39:49,199
run away so i clearly scared

2354
01:39:53,750 --> 01:39:52,480
this spirit away and um

2355
01:39:56,229 --> 01:39:53,760
and that was kind of it and that could

2356
01:39:57,910 --> 01:39:56,239
be my subjective experience but i looked

2357
01:39:59,830 --> 01:39:57,920
at the doorway at the time

2358
01:40:01,270 --> 01:39:59,840
and my buddy greg was in the doorway

2359
01:40:03,270 --> 01:40:01,280
just kind of leaning there

2360
01:40:05,510 --> 01:40:03,280
and he is super skeptical of the

2361
01:40:08,390 --> 01:40:05,520
paranormal and um

2362
01:40:09,910 --> 01:40:08,400
i saw him when i kind of reared back i

2363
01:40:12,470 --> 01:40:09,920
saw him in the doorway

2364
01:40:13,510 --> 01:40:12,480
go to the edge and like like kind of be

2365
01:40:15,189 --> 01:40:13,520
like this

2366
01:40:17,030 --> 01:40:15,199
and wow he didn't know what just

2367
01:40:17,750 --> 01:40:17,040
happened to me mind you like nothing was

2368
01:40:19,270 --> 01:40:17,760
talked about

2369
01:40:21,030 --> 01:40:19,280
nobody else in the room knew this just

2370
01:40:22,070 --> 01:40:21,040
happened to me so i run up to greg i'm

2371
01:40:23,830 --> 01:40:22,080
like why did you do that

2372
01:40:26,310 --> 01:40:23,840
why did you do that in the doorway and

2373
01:40:28,390 --> 01:40:26,320
he was like i just felt like something

2374
01:40:30,070 --> 01:40:28,400
had to leave the room and i felt like

2375
01:40:33,350 --> 01:40:30,080
something brushed past me

2376
01:40:35,109 --> 01:40:33,360
and i was just like wow what is going on

2377
01:40:37,510 --> 01:40:35,119
here and i freaked out man

2378
01:40:38,310 --> 01:40:37,520
i i like started i i sometimes get panic

2379
01:40:40,709 --> 01:40:38,320
attacks

2380
01:40:42,070 --> 01:40:40,719
and oh yeah that was a moment where i

2381
01:40:43,109 --> 01:40:42,080
got really busy i started

2382
01:40:45,990 --> 01:40:43,119
hyperventilating

2383
01:40:47,750 --> 01:40:46,000
and i left the museum yeah i left the

2384
01:40:49,270 --> 01:40:47,760
museum i went outside and i stood out

2385
01:40:51,030 --> 01:40:49,280
there for like half an hour before

2386
01:40:53,030 --> 01:40:51,040
anyone knew i was gone

2387
01:40:54,310 --> 01:40:53,040
until like i think it was greg came out

2388
01:40:55,910 --> 01:40:54,320
he's like dude where'd you go what's

2389
01:40:57,590 --> 01:40:55,920
going on and i couldn't

2390
01:40:59,350 --> 01:40:57,600
i couldn't really describe what happened

2391
01:41:02,629 --> 01:40:59,360
but um yeah that was it

2392
01:41:04,790 --> 01:41:02,639
that was it i i firmly believe something

2393
01:41:07,510 --> 01:41:04,800
weird happened to me there and it wasn't

2394
01:41:09,750 --> 01:41:07,520
about seeing a ghost or hearing the

2395
01:41:11,270 --> 01:41:09,760
the ghost box whimper or whatever it was

2396
01:41:13,430 --> 01:41:11,280
literally what i felt

2397
01:41:14,629 --> 01:41:13,440
and um that's where it really came down

2398
01:41:17,430 --> 01:41:14,639
to me is like wow

2399
01:41:19,030 --> 01:41:17,440
that was that was pretty powerful yeah

2400
01:41:22,229 --> 01:41:19,040
that is powerful and to think

2401
01:41:23,350 --> 01:41:22,239
that it was a child whimpering and it

2402
01:41:25,030 --> 01:41:23,360
sounds like a child

2403
01:41:26,709 --> 01:41:25,040
jumped into your lap and put their arms

2404
01:41:28,709 --> 01:41:26,719
around your neck yeah

2405
01:41:30,149 --> 01:41:28,719
yeah i can still like feel it sometimes

2406
01:41:32,790 --> 01:41:30,159
man

2407
01:41:34,390 --> 01:41:32,800
it's so weird it's so weird um you know

2408
01:41:38,070 --> 01:41:34,400
when i get asked like would you want to

2409
01:41:40,470 --> 01:41:38,080
experience that again and um yeah

2410
01:41:42,070 --> 01:41:40,480
like would you i think so now that i've

2411
01:41:43,430 --> 01:41:42,080
done it like now that i'm on the other

2412
01:41:45,350 --> 01:41:43,440
side of it and i accept that it's

2413
01:41:48,550 --> 01:41:45,360
possible i'm like bring it on

2414
01:41:52,310 --> 01:41:48,560
let's go wow yeah yeah i've i've had

2415
01:41:55,350 --> 01:41:52,320
uh my panic attacks too that is

2416
01:41:57,830 --> 01:41:55,360
it's awful i always thought i was dying

2417
01:42:00,229 --> 01:41:57,840
every time every time man yep that's

2418
01:42:01,590 --> 01:42:00,239
exactly how i felt too so i'm like oh

2419
01:42:03,990 --> 01:42:01,600
i'm gonna die on an island

2420
01:42:06,470 --> 01:42:04,000
in canada great like this was not in the

2421
01:42:08,229 --> 01:42:06,480
cards but uh it's about to happen so

2422
01:42:09,590 --> 01:42:08,239
i'd leave it to that little ghost for

2423
01:42:11,270 --> 01:42:09,600
possibly uh

2424
01:42:13,350 --> 01:42:11,280
bringing me over to the afterlife with

2425
01:42:15,830 --> 01:42:13,360
him

2426
01:42:16,950 --> 01:42:15,840
um so we were we've been kind of friend

2427
01:42:19,910 --> 01:42:16,960
talking this whole time

2428
01:42:22,310 --> 01:42:19,920
let me let me get your thoughts on right

2429
01:42:27,270 --> 01:42:24,070
on the like what do you think of the

2430
01:42:29,910 --> 01:42:27,280
sheehan lou situation

2431
01:42:31,189 --> 01:42:29,920
i think it's interesting um and i know

2432
01:42:32,709 --> 01:42:31,199
that's a really

2433
01:42:34,709 --> 01:42:32,719
surface level way of answering that

2434
01:42:37,910 --> 01:42:34,719
question but it's it's interesting

2435
01:42:41,990 --> 01:42:37,920
i i don't know what

2436
01:42:46,070 --> 01:42:42,000
to make of it yet um this whole greer

2437
01:42:50,310 --> 01:42:46,080
and sheehan and elizondo thing um

2438
01:42:53,990 --> 01:42:50,320
to me it looks like someone like sheehan

2439
01:42:56,790 --> 01:42:54,000
kind of playing both ends both sides

2440
01:42:58,070 --> 01:42:56,800
yeah and reaping all the rewards and

2441
01:42:59,590 --> 01:42:58,080
benefits from

2442
01:43:01,590 --> 01:42:59,600
from both sides of it i'm not saying

2443
01:43:03,910 --> 01:43:01,600
that danny sheehan is like

2444
01:43:05,109 --> 01:43:03,920
some conniving person he's an extremely

2445
01:43:08,229 --> 01:43:05,119
smart brilliant man

2446
01:43:09,990 --> 01:43:08,239
yeah oh geez but i do find it very odd

2447
01:43:11,669 --> 01:43:10,000
what is going on and i think a lot of

2448
01:43:12,950 --> 01:43:11,679
people find it very odd that someone

2449
01:43:15,270 --> 01:43:12,960
like elizondo

2450
01:43:16,950 --> 01:43:15,280
who is striving for credibility and

2451
01:43:19,510 --> 01:43:16,960
trying to like really

2452
01:43:20,870 --> 01:43:19,520
push back against what they ostensibly

2453
01:43:22,229 --> 01:43:20,880
what the pentagon or department of

2454
01:43:24,629 --> 01:43:22,239
defense has done to him

2455
01:43:25,750 --> 01:43:24,639
and trying to kind of erase his career

2456
01:43:27,990 --> 01:43:25,760
and credibility

2457
01:43:29,990 --> 01:43:28,000
uh for elizondo to get connected to

2458
01:43:32,790 --> 01:43:30,000
someone like xi'an who has a very

2459
01:43:33,990 --> 01:43:32,800
controversial past in the ufo field and

2460
01:43:35,590 --> 01:43:34,000
again that's not to say he's not a

2461
01:43:36,470 --> 01:43:35,600
brilliant person he was part of some of

2462
01:43:39,109 --> 01:43:36,480
the most

2463
01:43:41,430 --> 01:43:39,119
incredible civil rights movements and

2464
01:43:44,390 --> 01:43:41,440
and cases in the past and everything

2465
01:43:45,590 --> 01:43:44,400
but um it's just weird man like what the

2466
01:43:47,270 --> 01:43:45,600
what

2467
01:43:49,030 --> 01:43:47,280
if you would have told me when i got

2468
01:43:52,310 --> 01:43:49,040
involved with this stuff that like

2469
01:43:54,070 --> 01:43:52,320
an ex-ufo pentagon employee would be

2470
01:43:55,750 --> 01:43:54,080
working with a lawyer

2471
01:43:58,629 --> 01:43:55,760
who also works with a guy who claims

2472
01:43:59,189 --> 01:43:58,639
that like he's vectored in ufos with a

2473
01:44:01,669 --> 01:43:59,199
flag

2474
01:44:03,590 --> 01:44:01,679
a better book i'm just like what is this

2475
01:44:07,990 --> 01:44:03,600
and why is no one writing the movie

2476
01:44:11,510 --> 01:44:09,830
i don't know dude i'm kind of sitting

2477
01:44:13,109 --> 01:44:11,520
back on that whole thing because i don't

2478
01:44:14,629 --> 01:44:13,119
have an opinion either way

2479
01:44:17,030 --> 01:44:14,639
because there's only so much you can

2480
01:44:18,310 --> 01:44:17,040
know without like being that fly on the

2481
01:44:20,950 --> 01:44:18,320
wall right exactly

2482
01:44:22,149 --> 01:44:20,960
like you're not gonna yeah yeah i i

2483
01:44:24,790 --> 01:44:22,159
don't know what to make of it i

2484
01:44:26,550 --> 01:44:24,800
i in you you your interview with

2485
01:44:28,390 --> 01:44:26,560
elizondo was incredible

2486
01:44:30,709 --> 01:44:28,400
by the way i really have to commend you

2487
01:44:32,550 --> 01:44:30,719
on that um i had him early on

2488
01:44:33,910 --> 01:44:32,560
and uh this is before he really started

2489
01:44:35,510 --> 01:44:33,920
giving his personal thoughts and

2490
01:44:38,390 --> 01:44:35,520
opinions on stuff

2491
01:44:39,590 --> 01:44:38,400
and um i must say the more he's doing

2492
01:44:41,669 --> 01:44:39,600
these interviews

2493
01:44:43,030 --> 01:44:41,679
the more you're seeing that [\h__\h] in his

2494
01:44:45,990 --> 01:44:43,040
armor and the more

2495
01:44:47,109 --> 01:44:46,000
it's kind of opening up and uh i think

2496
01:44:49,590 --> 01:44:47,119
that's awesome

2497
01:44:50,310 --> 01:44:49,600
so you know whatever we can get out of

2498
01:44:53,430 --> 01:44:50,320
this guy

2499
01:44:56,390 --> 01:44:53,440
i think is is valuable to the field and

2500
01:44:56,950 --> 01:44:56,400
even if you think he may be less than

2501
01:44:59,189 --> 01:44:56,960
genuine

2502
01:45:01,430 --> 01:44:59,199
in his motives or he's a disinformation

2503
01:45:04,229 --> 01:45:01,440
agent i just don't buy it

2504
01:45:05,270 --> 01:45:04,239
um i i'd like to think i'm a good judge

2505
01:45:07,990 --> 01:45:05,280
a character

2506
01:45:08,950 --> 01:45:08,000
and um yeah he seems like a straight

2507
01:45:10,870 --> 01:45:08,960
shooter to me

2508
01:45:12,709 --> 01:45:10,880
so you know that's where i lay in all

2509
01:45:14,709 --> 01:45:12,719
this i'm all elizondo

2510
01:45:15,990 --> 01:45:14,719
i've never been a fan of steven grier

2511
01:45:16,709 --> 01:45:16,000
even though he's done really good work

2512
01:45:19,350 --> 01:45:16,719
in the past

2513
01:45:20,470 --> 01:45:19,360
um yeah everybody's fortunate got the

2514
01:45:23,750 --> 01:45:20,480
best of him

2515
01:45:25,030 --> 01:45:23,760
yeah it seemed that i'm newer so i don't

2516
01:45:27,750 --> 01:45:25,040
come with

2517
01:45:29,830 --> 01:45:27,760
i don't know like the details of some of

2518
01:45:31,590 --> 01:45:29,840
that stuff like how was he acting 15

2519
01:45:32,310 --> 01:45:31,600
years ago like all that like i don't

2520
01:45:34,629 --> 01:45:32,320
know

2521
01:45:35,750 --> 01:45:34,639
totally a different person yeah tell you

2522
01:45:38,470 --> 01:45:35,760
that much yeah

2523
01:45:40,390 --> 01:45:38,480
um but you know again we do have to

2524
01:45:41,669 --> 01:45:40,400
thank him for many early things he did

2525
01:45:43,430 --> 01:45:41,679
he was the first

2526
01:45:46,149 --> 01:45:43,440
to get all these government officials

2527
01:45:49,189 --> 01:45:46,159
and pilots to kind of go on the record

2528
01:45:51,669 --> 01:45:49,199
uh this is long before you know the

2529
01:45:52,870 --> 01:45:51,679
the congress hearings the mock congress

2530
01:45:56,149 --> 01:45:52,880
hearings in

2531
01:45:58,390 --> 01:45:56,159
2013 i believe uh or everything going on

2532
01:45:59,510 --> 01:45:58,400
today steven grier was there first doing

2533
01:46:00,870 --> 01:45:59,520
things like that

2534
01:46:02,790 --> 01:46:00,880
so we'll always have him to thank for

2535
01:46:04,310 --> 01:46:02,800
that but yeah you look at that

2536
01:46:06,550 --> 01:46:04,320
and then you look at where he is now and

2537
01:46:08,950 --> 01:46:06,560
you're just like

2538
01:46:10,390 --> 01:46:08,960
interesting trajectory and you know it's

2539
01:46:13,510 --> 01:46:10,400
just like certain

2540
01:46:16,070 --> 01:46:13,520
uh just easy choices that he could have

2541
01:46:18,709 --> 01:46:16,080
just did differently like for instance

2542
01:46:19,189 --> 01:46:18,719
marketing email campaigns two for one

2543
01:46:21,669 --> 01:46:19,199
books

2544
01:46:22,790 --> 01:46:21,679
all that stuff like he does that like

2545
01:46:26,070 --> 01:46:22,800
that

2546
01:46:28,229 --> 01:46:26,080
step

2547
01:46:29,350 --> 01:46:28,239
i mean i'm glad you brought that up sean

2548
01:46:32,870 --> 01:46:29,360
there is

2549
01:46:34,629 --> 01:46:32,880
like

2550
01:46:36,390 --> 01:46:34,639
if you're making any money in this field

2551
01:46:40,229 --> 01:46:36,400
like you're you're a charlatan you're

2552
01:46:42,550 --> 01:46:40,239
you're a sell-out and dude like i

2553
01:46:44,149 --> 01:46:42,560
do a patreon i raise money for my

2554
01:46:47,910 --> 01:46:44,159
podcast i do every work

2555
01:46:50,470 --> 01:46:47,920
every week for free um i sell my books

2556
01:46:51,910 --> 01:46:50,480
and i make some money doing it and i

2557
01:46:53,350 --> 01:46:51,920
think that's okay

2558
01:46:55,910 --> 01:46:53,360
but you wouldn't get money if people

2559
01:46:58,229 --> 01:46:55,920
didn't want to give it to you

2560
01:46:59,109 --> 01:46:58,239
exactly man when it comes to things like

2561
01:47:02,390 --> 01:46:59,119
charging seven

2562
01:47:05,590 --> 01:47:02,400
thousand dollars to go out and like

2563
01:47:08,470 --> 01:47:05,600
communicate with um with a ship

2564
01:47:09,430 --> 01:47:08,480
uh that's where i'm kind of like hmm

2565
01:47:11,189 --> 01:47:09,440
what are the truma

2566
01:47:13,430 --> 01:47:11,199
and then to come out with a documentary

2567
01:47:16,070 --> 01:47:13,440
and have like download my app

2568
01:47:16,709 --> 01:47:16,080
right at the bottom for the entire film

2569
01:47:21,030 --> 01:47:16,719
um

2570
01:47:24,229 --> 01:47:21,040
like greer does i i question his motives

2571
01:47:25,669 --> 01:47:24,239
i i i do and um again i'm not one to say

2572
01:47:27,990 --> 01:47:25,679
you can't make money in this field

2573
01:47:30,390 --> 01:47:28,000
if you can all the power to you but most

2574
01:47:33,109 --> 01:47:30,400
of it is making up for money you've lost

2575
01:47:35,030 --> 01:47:33,119
going out and researching um hosting

2576
01:47:37,510 --> 01:47:35,040
websites hosting

2577
01:47:38,870 --> 01:47:37,520
podcast files every week like i can't

2578
01:47:40,550 --> 01:47:38,880
pretend to tell you i've made money

2579
01:47:43,750 --> 01:47:40,560
doing this i've probably

2580
01:47:48,830 --> 01:47:43,760
just about um you and i have lost money

2581
01:47:55,030 --> 01:47:51,990
definitely but that's how it goes it was

2582
01:47:58,229 --> 01:47:55,040
an easy transition from music to ufos

2583
01:47:59,910 --> 01:47:58,239
yeah it's so crazy you find a lot of

2584
01:48:01,510 --> 01:47:59,920
artists in this field

2585
01:48:02,950 --> 01:48:01,520
and i think again it's that part of the

2586
01:48:05,590 --> 01:48:02,960
brain yeah that

2587
01:48:06,950 --> 01:48:05,600
creative imaginative imaginative

2588
01:48:08,950 --> 01:48:06,960
imagination

2589
01:48:10,709 --> 01:48:08,960
side of the brain that really finds this

2590
01:48:11,750 --> 01:48:10,719
topic interesting because it is so

2591
01:48:13,669 --> 01:48:11,760
amorphous

2592
01:48:15,109 --> 01:48:13,679
and because you can make so much of it

2593
01:48:17,430 --> 01:48:15,119
you know so

2594
01:48:18,470 --> 01:48:17,440
i think it's cool i meet people like you

2595
01:48:23,510 --> 01:48:18,480
you know

2596
01:48:25,430 --> 01:48:23,520
imagination's definitely at play with

2597
01:48:27,830 --> 01:48:25,440
all this stuff but

2598
01:48:28,550 --> 01:48:27,840
you know it the the trick is keeping it

2599
01:48:31,350 --> 01:48:28,560
tame

2600
01:48:32,790 --> 01:48:31,360
yeah because i mean let's be honest

2601
01:48:34,149 --> 01:48:32,800
without imagination

2602
01:48:36,070 --> 01:48:34,159
we wouldn't even be able to think of

2603
01:48:38,790 --> 01:48:36,080
this kind of stuff right

2604
01:48:39,669 --> 01:48:38,800
yeah no there has to be a child like

2605
01:48:42,629 --> 01:48:39,679
wonderment

2606
01:48:45,109 --> 01:48:42,639
to this or else you're gonna be very

2607
01:48:48,229 --> 01:48:45,119
depressed very paranoid very

2608
01:48:49,669 --> 01:48:48,239
um somber about everything so i try to

2609
01:48:52,229 --> 01:48:49,679
keep that in mind too man

2610
01:48:53,590 --> 01:48:52,239
um you know looking at all this

2611
01:48:56,310 --> 01:48:53,600
government stuff and

2612
01:48:57,510 --> 01:48:56,320
this person is a disinformation agent

2613
01:48:59,270 --> 01:48:57,520
blah blah blah blah blah

2614
01:49:01,350 --> 01:48:59,280
i'm like let's get back to the core of

2615
01:49:02,390 --> 01:49:01,360
why we're all here this isn't to like

2616
01:49:04,870 --> 01:49:02,400
talk about

2617
01:49:06,870 --> 01:49:04,880
um the government and men in black which

2618
01:49:09,510 --> 01:49:06,880
is can also be pretty cool

2619
01:49:10,709 --> 01:49:09,520
um it's about staring up in the sky and

2620
01:49:11,350 --> 01:49:10,719
seeing something that you couldn't

2621
01:49:13,669 --> 01:49:11,360
explain

2622
01:49:16,149 --> 01:49:13,679
and wondering what that thing could be

2623
01:49:18,790 --> 01:49:16,159
right so yeah i agree with you i think

2624
01:49:20,229 --> 01:49:18,800
it has to it has to be there it has to

2625
01:49:22,310 --> 01:49:20,239
be there

2626
01:49:22,970 --> 01:49:22,320
oh that's beautiful i'm glad i had you

2627
01:49:25,350 --> 01:49:22,980
on

2628
01:49:26,790 --> 01:49:25,360
[Laughter]

2629
01:49:28,550 --> 01:49:26,800
yeah i don't get to really stretch my

2630
01:49:31,350 --> 01:49:28,560
muscles like this and uh let's

2631
01:49:32,870 --> 01:49:31,360
have a conversation yes that's what i'm

2632
01:49:37,189 --> 01:49:32,880
i tried to do

2633
01:49:39,030 --> 01:49:37,199
other than you know well back in 1995

2634
01:49:41,189 --> 01:49:39,040
we don't need more of those people man

2635
01:49:43,510 --> 01:49:41,199
we've had them

2636
01:49:45,030 --> 01:49:43,520
we've been through all of that we need

2637
01:49:47,910 --> 01:49:45,040
more people having just

2638
01:49:50,070 --> 01:49:47,920
vulnerable raw discussions where you can

2639
01:49:53,430 --> 01:49:50,080
make some incredible discoveries

2640
01:49:56,470 --> 01:49:53,440
yes yeah a lot of people didn't like uh

2641
01:49:57,350 --> 01:49:56,480
one of my questions with lou which one

2642
01:50:00,550 --> 01:49:57,360
was that

2643
01:50:03,669 --> 01:50:00,560
did you ever kill anyone oh my god

2644
01:50:04,070 --> 01:50:03,679
dude i missed that part of it what was

2645
01:50:07,189 --> 01:50:04,080
this

2646
01:50:09,589 --> 01:50:07,199
did he answer yeah yeah

2647
01:50:10,870 --> 01:50:09,599
yeah that that's a that was a big moment

2648
01:50:13,910 --> 01:50:10,880
and a lot of people

2649
01:50:14,470 --> 01:50:13,920
well i think eventually they were just

2650
01:50:15,990 --> 01:50:14,480
trolls

2651
01:50:17,750 --> 01:50:16,000
like who would just keep putting the

2652
01:50:22,550 --> 01:50:17,760
same comment on i think yeah

2653
01:50:25,990 --> 01:50:22,560
but um it's one of those questions

2654
01:50:28,470 --> 01:50:26,000
you can only ever ask

2655
01:50:29,430 --> 01:50:28,480
at the complete right time in the right

2656
01:50:32,790 --> 01:50:29,440
way

2657
01:50:35,589 --> 01:50:32,800
and i did and he answered it

2658
01:50:36,790 --> 01:50:35,599
and it was a moment where he was very

2659
01:50:39,510 --> 01:50:36,800
vulnerable

2660
01:50:41,189 --> 01:50:39,520
and human and that's what i'm saying man

2661
01:50:43,030 --> 01:50:41,199
like we're seeing the human side of

2662
01:50:46,470 --> 01:50:43,040
elizondo when he's kind of been

2663
01:50:49,350 --> 01:50:46,480
just a character for so long in this

2664
01:50:50,950 --> 01:50:49,360
play of ufology i guess but i think

2665
01:50:53,910 --> 01:50:50,960
asking a question like that

2666
01:50:55,910 --> 01:50:53,920
with someone who is used to knowing

2667
01:50:57,910 --> 01:50:55,920
exactly where a conversation is going

2668
01:51:00,229 --> 01:50:57,920
how to frame things how to spin things

2669
01:51:01,510 --> 01:51:00,239
that was his job and he was damn good at

2670
01:51:03,270 --> 01:51:01,520
it um

2671
01:51:04,790 --> 01:51:03,280
when you throw something at him like

2672
01:51:07,189 --> 01:51:04,800
that that's when like

2673
01:51:08,229 --> 01:51:07,199
you know something the brain kind of

2674
01:51:11,350 --> 01:51:08,239
malfunctions and

2675
01:51:12,790 --> 01:51:11,360
yeah and

2676
01:51:14,550 --> 01:51:12,800
if people think like that's an

2677
01:51:17,189 --> 01:51:14,560
inappropriate question to ask

2678
01:51:18,709 --> 01:51:17,199
all he had to say was no comment yeah

2679
01:51:19,189 --> 01:51:18,719
that's a good point look at what he's

2680
01:51:22,790 --> 01:51:19,199
done

2681
01:51:24,629 --> 01:51:22,800
look at his past like i kind of assumed

2682
01:51:26,709 --> 01:51:24,639
that probably happened at one point or

2683
01:51:28,149 --> 01:51:26,719
another it was an assumed question yeah

2684
01:51:29,990 --> 01:51:28,159
i kind of knew what he would say

2685
01:51:31,189 --> 01:51:30,000
if he answered it right and that's what

2686
01:51:32,550 --> 01:51:31,199
i wanted

2687
01:51:36,709 --> 01:51:32,560
good on you for doing that i wouldn't

2688
01:51:42,950 --> 01:51:39,750
it was spontaneous um but yeah no

2689
01:51:46,070 --> 01:51:42,960
i mean i've definitely um

2690
01:51:46,790 --> 01:51:46,080
i've haven't had a lot of time here but

2691
01:51:49,750 --> 01:51:46,800
i have

2692
01:51:50,709 --> 01:51:49,760
had a lot of time with people you know

2693
01:51:53,990 --> 01:51:50,719
um

2694
01:51:56,149 --> 01:51:54,000
my whole life for jobs mostly

2695
01:51:59,030 --> 01:51:56,159
where like my living depended on how

2696
01:52:02,229 --> 01:51:59,040
well i knew how to work with people

2697
01:52:02,709 --> 01:52:02,239
and in the end it's really easy you just

2698
01:52:06,229 --> 01:52:02,719
have to

2699
01:52:07,510 --> 01:52:06,239
genuinely care about them exactly that's

2700
01:52:09,990 --> 01:52:07,520
it yeah

2701
01:52:11,910 --> 01:52:10,000
that's you know it's like that's the key

2702
01:52:14,870 --> 01:52:11,920
to life just be

2703
01:52:16,229 --> 01:52:14,880
a decent human being like you look at

2704
01:52:18,390 --> 01:52:16,239
any major religion

2705
01:52:20,709 --> 01:52:18,400
and the answer is always the same like

2706
01:52:23,830 --> 01:52:20,719
do good and good will come upon you

2707
01:52:26,229 --> 01:52:23,840
yeah it i know it's not that easy

2708
01:52:27,589 --> 01:52:26,239
like humanity and the human condition is

2709
01:52:29,030 --> 01:52:27,599
complex but like

2710
01:52:30,950 --> 01:52:29,040
at the end of the day we're all looking

2711
01:52:33,910 --> 01:52:30,960
for the same thing you know

2712
01:52:34,950 --> 01:52:33,920
like yeah what comes next and uh where

2713
01:52:37,589 --> 01:52:34,960
do i go

2714
01:52:38,950 --> 01:52:37,599
after this life and uh is there other

2715
01:52:40,629 --> 01:52:38,960
life out there

2716
01:52:42,070 --> 01:52:40,639
and i think we're getting closer to

2717
01:52:43,350 --> 01:52:42,080
answering some of those questions at

2718
01:52:46,070 --> 01:52:43,360
least the last one

2719
01:52:46,790 --> 01:52:46,080
is their other life out there so yeah

2720
01:52:49,030 --> 01:52:46,800
man

2721
01:52:50,709 --> 01:52:49,040
yeah this stuff says so much more about

2722
01:52:51,669 --> 01:52:50,719
us than i think it does whatever we're

2723
01:52:53,270 --> 01:52:51,679
dealing with

2724
01:52:55,350 --> 01:52:53,280
and that's kind of right that's why i

2725
01:52:58,629 --> 01:52:55,360
always tell people like

2726
01:52:59,750 --> 01:52:58,639
this topic mirrors what we want to be

2727
01:53:01,669 --> 01:52:59,760
what we could be

2728
01:53:04,070 --> 01:53:01,679
what we're seeing displayed in these

2729
01:53:06,310 --> 01:53:04,080
paranormal experiences or ufos

2730
01:53:07,589 --> 01:53:06,320
it's in in aspiration to be more and

2731
01:53:08,870 --> 01:53:07,599
we're seeing that played out in the

2732
01:53:10,870 --> 01:53:08,880
technology

2733
01:53:12,870 --> 01:53:10,880
in these things and it's like what could

2734
01:53:13,589 --> 01:53:12,880
we do kind of like a kid looking up at

2735
01:53:15,270 --> 01:53:13,599
the

2736
01:53:16,950 --> 01:53:15,280
this first space shuttle going into

2737
01:53:19,510 --> 01:53:16,960
space i mean like whoa

2738
01:53:20,229 --> 01:53:19,520
i could do that someday and that's why

2739
01:53:23,270 --> 01:53:20,239
someone like

2740
01:53:24,070 --> 01:53:23,280
fravor is like whoa i want to fly that

2741
01:53:27,990 --> 01:53:24,080
tic tac

2742
01:53:29,350 --> 01:53:28,000
you know could we possibly be in the

2743
01:53:32,229 --> 01:53:29,360
future and i think that's

2744
01:53:32,550 --> 01:53:32,239
awesome like yeah hey that's all ufos

2745
01:53:35,350 --> 01:53:32,560
are

2746
01:53:36,070 --> 01:53:35,360
like something to strive for awesome

2747
01:53:38,790 --> 01:53:36,080
yeah

2748
01:53:39,669 --> 01:53:38,800
and you know that's beautiful that you

2749
01:53:41,990 --> 01:53:39,679
said that favor

2750
01:53:42,950 --> 01:53:42,000
yeah i want to fly that thing like yeah

2751
01:53:44,790 --> 01:53:42,960
so is this first

2752
01:53:47,189 --> 01:53:44,800
that's the moment you know that's the if

2753
01:53:51,510 --> 01:53:47,199
you build it they will come

2754
01:53:51,830 --> 01:53:51,520
you know dude they have to put that line

2755
01:53:55,830 --> 01:53:51,840
in

2756
01:53:58,589 --> 01:53:55,840
about leslie kane

2757
01:54:00,550 --> 01:53:58,599
um and all her work because you know

2758
01:54:02,070 --> 01:54:00,560
elizondo's character is going to be in

2759
01:54:04,070 --> 01:54:02,080
that in favor

2760
01:54:05,109 --> 01:54:04,080
oh they're doing like a legit movie

2761
01:54:08,390 --> 01:54:05,119
movie yeah

2762
01:54:10,709 --> 01:54:08,400
like a it's gonna documentary an actual

2763
01:54:12,790 --> 01:54:10,719
movie i um i spoke to leslie

2764
01:54:14,629 --> 01:54:12,800
maybe a week or so ago to congratulate

2765
01:54:17,430 --> 01:54:14,639
her because i'd heard the news

2766
01:54:18,149 --> 01:54:17,440
and um she's excited i'd love to have on

2767
01:54:20,390 --> 01:54:18,159
here i

2768
01:54:21,189 --> 01:54:20,400
admire the crap out of that girl she's

2769
01:54:24,149 --> 01:54:21,199
incredible

2770
01:54:24,870 --> 01:54:24,159
um very busy woman but i i yeah i can

2771
01:54:27,910 --> 01:54:24,880
imagine

2772
01:54:29,669 --> 01:54:27,920
yeah hit her up man i i'll see if i can

2773
01:54:31,910 --> 01:54:29,679
pull any strings but you know don't

2774
01:54:34,470 --> 01:54:31,920
worry she's incredible

2775
01:54:36,310 --> 01:54:34,480
to talk to i uh yeah i had like a three

2776
01:54:38,149 --> 01:54:36,320
and a half hour conversation with her

2777
01:54:40,390 --> 01:54:38,159
she lives here in new york so she's like

2778
01:54:41,510 --> 01:54:40,400
come on over like and i was like oh i'm

2779
01:54:44,070 --> 01:54:41,520
jealous

2780
01:54:45,189 --> 01:54:44,080
what is going on i was like fanboying

2781
01:54:47,109 --> 01:54:45,199
out and i

2782
01:54:48,629 --> 01:54:47,119
i went up to manhattan with her and

2783
01:54:51,189 --> 01:54:48,639
another buddy of mine and

2784
01:54:52,950 --> 01:54:51,199
we had amazing chinese food and then

2785
01:54:54,790 --> 01:54:52,960
just talked for like three hours

2786
01:54:56,390 --> 01:54:54,800
oh that sounds great those are the

2787
01:54:57,750 --> 01:54:56,400
moments in this field man where i'm like

2788
01:55:00,070 --> 01:54:57,760
is this it really happening

2789
01:55:01,270 --> 01:55:00,080
because yeah we do we have those heroes

2790
01:55:03,270 --> 01:55:01,280
in this field and that was

2791
01:55:04,310 --> 01:55:03,280
one day when i finally met one in one

2792
01:55:06,149 --> 01:55:04,320
day where like

2793
01:55:07,830 --> 01:55:06,159
my hero actually lived up to the

2794
01:55:10,070 --> 01:55:07,840
expectation because they already

2795
01:55:12,709 --> 01:55:10,080
it never happens does it yeah but she

2796
01:55:14,310 --> 01:55:12,719
was one of them um she is just like

2797
01:55:16,470 --> 01:55:14,320
she's an inspiration to all of us out

2798
01:55:18,310 --> 01:55:16,480
there of like what

2799
01:55:20,070 --> 01:55:18,320
what can happen and like how serious

2800
01:55:22,310 --> 01:55:20,080
this topic can be taken

2801
01:55:23,830 --> 01:55:22,320
and uh we we have everything we're

2802
01:55:27,189 --> 01:55:23,840
talking about right now

2803
01:55:29,990 --> 01:55:27,199
in 2020 uh 2021 wow i'm a year behind

2804
01:55:32,149 --> 01:55:30,000
um we have her to thank for that we

2805
01:55:34,229 --> 01:55:32,159
truly do her in ralph blumenthal um

2806
01:55:36,310 --> 01:55:34,239
paved the way for all of this yeah ralph

2807
01:55:39,510 --> 01:55:36,320
yeah

2808
01:55:40,629 --> 01:55:39,520
this is a great talk man my pleasure

2809
01:55:42,870 --> 01:55:40,639
dude

2810
01:55:43,750 --> 01:55:42,880
my pleasure i could go for hours but i

2811
01:55:46,790 --> 01:55:43,760
didn't probably have

2812
01:55:49,669 --> 01:55:46,800
stuff to do too yeah with you i could

2813
01:55:52,790 --> 01:55:49,679
um yeah i do this mid-day so it's kind

2814
01:55:55,669 --> 01:55:52,800
of like uh i can do this but then i also

2815
01:55:57,189 --> 01:55:55,679
have things to tend to on the other side

2816
01:55:59,189 --> 01:55:57,199
yeah the wall

2817
01:56:01,189 --> 01:55:59,199
exactly we all have that other side to

2818
01:56:03,270 --> 01:56:01,199
the wall yeah

2819
01:56:04,390 --> 01:56:03,280
oh that's nice that's beautiful you're

2820
01:56:06,550 --> 01:56:04,400
just full of good stuff

2821
01:56:08,310 --> 01:56:06,560
all right i'm a playwright that's my job

2822
01:56:10,550 --> 01:56:08,320
dude but no you copy right there

2823
01:56:12,149 --> 01:56:10,560
you said it i just stole it which is

2824
01:56:15,669 --> 01:56:12,159
also another thing playwrights do

2825
01:56:18,870 --> 01:56:15,679
okay china i'm just kidding

2826
01:56:21,669 --> 01:56:18,880
um is there uh

2827
01:56:23,430 --> 01:56:21,679
anything else that um you want to

2828
01:56:27,030 --> 01:56:23,440
discuss or let people

2829
01:56:29,510 --> 01:56:27,040
um know uh before we get off the horn

2830
01:56:30,709 --> 01:56:29,520
oh thanks man um yeah yeah i've got some

2831
01:56:33,750 --> 01:56:30,719
cool stuff coming up

2832
01:56:37,030 --> 01:56:33,760
uh my the television show i'm a part of

2833
01:56:39,270 --> 01:56:37,040
mysteries decoded uh we got picked up

2834
01:56:41,189 --> 01:56:39,280
for another season and um

2835
01:56:42,709 --> 01:56:41,199
wrapped filming and it's gonna premiere

2836
01:56:45,589 --> 01:56:42,719
this summer uh

2837
01:56:47,109 --> 01:56:45,599
this summer right now in august actually

2838
01:56:48,950 --> 01:56:47,119
so um

2839
01:56:51,030 --> 01:56:48,960
everyone can go check that out it's on

2840
01:56:53,109 --> 01:56:51,040
the cw network it's premiering

2841
01:56:55,589 --> 01:56:53,119
in august and i should have more

2842
01:56:58,310 --> 01:56:55,599
information soon about that but um

2843
01:57:00,149 --> 01:56:58,320
other than that man um i do the podcast

2844
01:57:00,709 --> 01:57:00,159
every week somewhere in the skies it's

2845
01:57:03,830 --> 01:57:00,719
uh

2846
01:57:05,589 --> 01:57:03,840
anywhere you get podcasts and um that's

2847
01:57:08,229 --> 01:57:05,599
it working on another book

2848
01:57:09,910 --> 01:57:08,239
beautiful podcast so i do recommend it

2849
01:57:11,750 --> 01:57:09,920
and when i was first getting into this

2850
01:57:14,070 --> 01:57:11,760
stuff that's one i landed on

2851
01:57:15,189 --> 01:57:14,080
and it you know helped develop my

2852
01:57:17,109 --> 01:57:15,199
interest even further

2853
01:57:18,709 --> 01:57:17,119
so i love hearing that like you said

2854
01:57:20,229 --> 01:57:18,719
dude it's a chain reaction

2855
01:57:22,390 --> 01:57:20,239
you have no idea who's out there

2856
01:57:24,870 --> 01:57:22,400
listening and taking something from you

2857
01:57:26,790 --> 01:57:24,880
and it's still like touches my heart

2858
01:57:28,310 --> 01:57:26,800
every time someone reaches out like you

2859
01:57:31,189 --> 01:57:28,320
so thank you

2860
01:57:31,990 --> 01:57:31,199
no my pleasure sir i hope you come back

2861
01:57:35,189 --> 01:57:32,000
again

2862
01:57:36,950 --> 01:57:35,199
uh soon um we'll see what happens but in

2863
01:57:38,709 --> 01:57:36,960
the meantime if anything

2864
01:57:41,109 --> 01:57:38,719
we're buddies and we can always just

2865
01:57:41,990 --> 01:57:41,119
talk absolutely sean thanks for having

2866
01:57:43,350 --> 01:57:42,000
me my man

2867
01:57:45,109 --> 01:57:43,360
yeah have a great rest of the day thanks

2868
01:57:48,149 --> 01:57:45,119
for coming by you too take care

2869
01:57:51,270 --> 01:57:48,159
bye uh yeah great person

2870
01:57:54,229 --> 01:57:51,280
awesome guy um go check him out his

2871
01:57:55,030 --> 01:57:54,239
podcast somewhere in the skies it is

2872
01:57:58,149 --> 01:57:55,040
amazing

2873
01:58:01,669 --> 01:57:58,159
he's got a couple books out um

2874
01:58:04,550 --> 01:58:01,679
you can follow him on twitter and

2875
01:58:07,109 --> 01:58:04,560
yeah just a great perspective and i

2876
01:58:09,589 --> 01:58:07,119
really appreciate that so

2877
01:58:10,310 --> 01:58:09,599
um thank you guys especially you guys

2878
01:58:12,390 --> 01:58:10,320
who are

2879
01:58:15,189 --> 01:58:12,400
here for like two hours with me i'm

2880
01:58:16,950 --> 01:58:15,199
sorry you dealt with that

2881
01:58:18,550 --> 01:58:16,960
but thanks for hanging out most

2882
01:58:19,350 --> 01:58:18,560
definitely tomorrow we have a really

2883
01:58:23,669 --> 01:58:19,360
cool day

2884
01:58:26,790 --> 01:58:23,679
uh we have uh ron james

2885
01:58:27,669 --> 01:58:26,800
from mufon television president so that

2886
01:58:29,990 --> 01:58:27,679
will be

2887
01:58:32,629 --> 01:58:30,000
pretty cool i'm looking forward to that

2888
01:58:34,790 --> 01:58:32,639
i will see you guys

2889
01:58:36,629 --> 01:58:34,800
same time tomorrow thanks uh to those

2890
01:58:39,830 --> 01:58:36,639
who um gave their

2891
01:58:42,390 --> 01:58:39,840
hard-earned money um

2892
01:58:43,830 --> 01:58:42,400
in support that that's awesome and i

2893
01:58:46,149 --> 01:58:43,840
really do appreciate that if you don't

2894
01:58:48,310 --> 01:58:46,159
mind i'd kind of try to not mention that

2895
01:58:49,669 --> 01:58:48,320
during the talk so we can keep our

2896
01:58:53,109 --> 01:58:49,679
smooth flow

2897
01:58:53,750 --> 01:58:53,119
um but i'll try to definitely uh say

2898
01:58:57,109 --> 01:58:53,760
thank you

2899
01:58:59,109 --> 01:58:57,119
in the comments um yeah

2900
01:59:00,709 --> 01:58:59,119
but that is all i got for today i'll see

2901
01:59:02,709 --> 01:59:00,719
you tomorrow it's wednesday

2902
01:59:04,070 --> 01:59:02,719
it's hump day just remember that

2903
01:59:07,350 --> 01:59:04,080
tomorrow

2904
01:59:09,430 --> 01:59:07,360
it's almost the weekend so with that

2905
01:59:17,640 --> 01:59:09,440
being said

2906
01:59:43,860 --> 01:59:17,650
peace be in love

2907
01:59:59,480 --> 01:59:54,170
[Music]

2908
02:00:07,350 --> 01:59:59,490
so